Mayfield Sutton
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Hello, has somebody PDF with Nobels 808 label? Thanks
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PE No.2 and Nobels 808 sizes?
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There are downloads of Nobel 808 wrappers here:
http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=86972&hilit=nobels
and
http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=26491&hilit=nobels&start=48
Can anyone confirm the definitive size for a 4 oz stick?
'Weapons of the WWII Tommy' by David B Gordon, says 1 3/8" x 3", but I've seen others quote 4" long
In reference to an earlier post the text under Glasgow should read:
THIS EXPLOSIVE IS ONLY TO BE USED
WITH A 1 oz. PRIMER
cheers
Paul
http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=86972&hilit=nobels
and
http://www.wwiireenacting.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=124&t=26491&hilit=nobels&start=48
Can anyone confirm the definitive size for a 4 oz stick?
'Weapons of the WWII Tommy' by David B Gordon, says 1 3/8" x 3", but I've seen others quote 4" long
In reference to an earlier post the text under Glasgow should read:
THIS EXPLOSIVE IS ONLY TO BE USED
WITH A 1 oz. PRIMER
cheers
Paul
Evening Everyone
The above is the one I used to mock-up my Nobel 808.
I bought some cheap brown paper from a £1 shop, cut it to A4 size and printed onto that. Once printed and cut to size I used a T-light candle to rub all over the wrapper then melted it into the paper using a normal iron on its lowest setting (Don't tell the wife
), it actually doesn't do the iron any damage.I would post a picture of the results but not sure if I have premission to post images yet as I'm still a Newbie.
Regards
Andy
Hi Belly, and thank you. i used boot lace and took the middle out of it and in side i put plumbers solder wire that way its flexible.
Andy
Hello Gentlemen,
I have the opportunity to purchase the five original Nobel's No. 808 wrappers shown in the photo below. I know that I will buy three for sure, or maybe I will buy all five, but either way I want to make a couple mock-ups of original sticks. This thread lists a few different dimensions that the sticks should be, so can anyone confirm which measurements are correct?
Also, what was the consistency of an original stick? In other words, was it firm and hard (like a wood dowel inside would be), or was is soft and pliable (like the plastic explosive show in the movies these day). If soft and pliable, perhaps I should use clay or putty inside my display pieces?
Lastly, does anyone have a picture of the end of an original stick? I'd like to see how the wrappers were folded over on each end.
Thanks
John
I have the opportunity to purchase the five original Nobel's No. 808 wrappers shown in the photo below. I know that I will buy three for sure, or maybe I will buy all five, but either way I want to make a couple mock-ups of original sticks. This thread lists a few different dimensions that the sticks should be, so can anyone confirm which measurements are correct?
Also, what was the consistency of an original stick? In other words, was it firm and hard (like a wood dowel inside would be), or was is soft and pliable (like the plastic explosive show in the movies these day). If soft and pliable, perhaps I should use clay or putty inside my display pieces?
Lastly, does anyone have a picture of the end of an original stick? I'd like to see how the wrappers were folded over on each end.
Thanks
John
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Nice, except a detonator No.27 was inserted in the Fog Signal and the Cordex cord was attached to the detonator by either tape or cordtex wire. The whole idea was to blow up the railway tracks in front of the train so it would be derailed. That will not happen with a piece of Bickford fuze.
Very nice Anders, thanks for posting! I have your AWESOME book, and enjoy viewing it and drooling over all the fantastic items you have in your S.O.E. collection. I can only dream of acquiring many of those things someday. A Type E6 Limpet, with placing rod and hold-fasts would be the ultimate acquisition for me. :tinysmile_classes_t
Unfortunately neither of the two pictures you show of Nobel's 808 have a view of the stick ends. I am just trying to determine if the wrapper on the end was very neatly folded over and creased a certain way, or just folded randomly. I am probably over-thinking this, but I like to be as accurate as possible. :tinysmile_tongue_t:
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Richard709
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Hi All, Extract from the 1983 REPB,
It shows the dimensions in metric, (100 x 32mm = 4 x 1 1/4 in) which seem to be at odds with the above post. My 2 dummy carts are 3 x 1 1/4 in.
Rich
It shows the dimensions in metric, (100 x 32mm = 4 x 1 1/4 in) which seem to be at odds with the above post. My 2 dummy carts are 3 x 1 1/4 in.
Rich
Is that for the WWII stick? It says a "light blue cartridge"?
Richard709
Well-Known Member
The 1979 version of the REPB also shows the same information, but there is no listing for 808 in the 1967 version?. I am not aware of any changes in the size between the WW11 and late 70's stock??. Light blue cartridge with a brown paper wrapper. I seem to remember it was a form of pastel/baby blue, but it has been a long time since I used it last (late 1970's).
Thank you for the kind words. Yes I am sorry for not taking photos from that angle. As I recall the ends were closed similar to the business end of a shotgun cartridge (star crimp).
I believe it is against the rules to tell about how to deactivate a piece of Bickford fuze, but it is very easy and safe. But first the fuze has to be acquired. :tinysmile_cry_t:
But it is a very intuitive solution that AndysArmory has come up with. :congrats:
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i have used waxed washing line before painted black
Thanks Anders, that is very helpful. No need to apologize, you would have had no way of knowing that some silly collector like me would want to see the ends of the sticks. :tinysmile_hmm_t:
Interesting conversation. I wonder if the sizes of WW2 808 cartridges varied?
Regarding the mock-up rail sabotage display with what looked like black safety fuse, as said it should simulate Cordtex instead. Does anyone want to talk about what WW2 Cordtex looked like? I have heard white or light gray like lead. Smooth like plastic or vinyl? I think I saw a photo that showed some kind of printed pattern. 1/4 inch/6mm diameter?
I don't want to hijack the original poster's question but if you all think it's been answered can we talk about Cordtex?
Regarding the mock-up rail sabotage display with what looked like black safety fuse, as said it should simulate Cordtex instead. Does anyone want to talk about what WW2 Cordtex looked like? I have heard white or light gray like lead. Smooth like plastic or vinyl? I think I saw a photo that showed some kind of printed pattern. 1/4 inch/6mm diameter?
I don't want to hijack the original poster's question but if you all think it's been answered can we talk about Cordtex?
@Houndsworth,
Cordeau Detonant/Cordeau Bickford or Fuze, Instantaneous, Detonating (British Military Nomenclature), preceeded Cordtex. It consisted of TNT in a metal sheath. Remained in service until post WWII.
Mk. I - Lead sheath
Mk. II - Tin sheath
Mk. III - Tin/Lead alloy sheath.
Pre war Cordtex when still very much a 'Trade item' was available in three grades:
plain - brown
reinforced - red
braided.
Early in the war (1940) there is reference to an aluminium coloured Cordtex. In 1944 there is reference to plastic covered and bitumen covered Cordtex.
TimG
Cordeau Detonant/Cordeau Bickford or Fuze, Instantaneous, Detonating (British Military Nomenclature), preceeded Cordtex. It consisted of TNT in a metal sheath. Remained in service until post WWII.
Mk. I - Lead sheath
Mk. II - Tin sheath
Mk. III - Tin/Lead alloy sheath.
Pre war Cordtex when still very much a 'Trade item' was available in three grades:
plain - brown
reinforced - red
braided.
Early in the war (1940) there is reference to an aluminium coloured Cordtex. In 1944 there is reference to plastic covered and bitumen covered Cordtex.
TimG
This is a coil of live plastic Cordtex airdropped to the Danish resistance. It is filled with 10 gram of Pentrite pr. meter.
