Help with Italian Breda M35 series

[MINENAZ16]

Hello,

I try to understand the Breda M35 family.

Ok for the red one (HE).
I'm looking for informations on :
-1- black inert dummy grenade (diagram)
-2- white with red band practice grenade (diagram and pictures). What means "a sola cassula" ? What is the small weight charge of TNT ?
-3- unpainted with red band (diagram). Is it an inert dummy grenade or a practice grenade with a small explosive charge ?
-4- Smoke grenade (pictures-diagram)
-5- Smoke-Incendiary grenade (pictures-diagram).

Regards

(Pictures from http://www.lexpev.nl/grenades/europe/italy/breda35.html and http://www.talpo.it/breda.html)



Dummy



Practice





Practice or Dummy

 

[fert]

Hello,

1-black dummy grenade has woods piece inside to reach the original weight. No live parts, only for training in throw


2 - Practice - a sola cassula: Explosive and detonator are inert. Only the ignition cap it's live. Identical to live grenades. White painted with lower red stripe.

3 - Unpaninted with central red band: wartime production, live hand granade identical to the overall red painted.

4 and 5 - I have something but I need to find it. I hope to post later

regards

 

[MINENAZ16]

Thank you Fert.

 

[fert]

Hello,

here a pic of Breda mod 35 F (fumogena = smoke) or FI (Fumogena Incendiaria = smoke inendiary). Grenades were painted red/black and specific marking F or FI was applied in the base with white paint.


Breda mod 35 F, smoke had the explosive charge replaced with carbon tetrachloride, zink and zink oxide compound. It produced a thick 3mx3m cloud.
Breda mod 35FI, incendiary smoke had the explosive charge replaced with 90gr of white phosphor and same compound of smoke grenade. It produce a thick 10mx4m cloud and phosphor spark for 10m.
both hand grenades was used for anti tank fight.

best regards

 

[MINENAZ16]

Birllant, thank you Fert.

What is the real weight charge of the Breda 35 high explosive ; all documentations I read give different weight (from 43 to 60 gr !!) ?

Regards

 

[fert]

Hi,
you are welcome.
Breda mod 35 had 60gr of TNT/Binitro-naftalina compound. Source Italian 1938 and 1941 manuals.

best regards

 

[MINENAZ16]

I trust you !

 

[Eugenio]

Here I let you an italian manual talking about all the grenades series 35/40/42... in use in 1944 by the italian army.