War n Peace show

[pzgr40/42]

Richard, Paul,

The short 5 cm, afaik, is used with the 5 cm Kw.K 38. L/ 45 (or was it L/42 ? , I'll check my refs.)
The long version, using the longer round, of the 5 cm Kw.K is referred to as Kw.K 39 L/60
Kw.K 40 was used for the 7,5 cm L/43 and L/48 weapons.

More than ready to stand corrected.

greetz,

Menno.

 

[thehairbarebunch]

Hi Guys,
A few notes on to the previously mentioned 5cm rounds. The first, the KwK38 was never used as a stand alone anti tank gun, being used only in AFV's (hence no PAK on any headstamp). Case length was 289mm and it only used a C/22 elec primer. The second was used as both an anti tank gun and in AFV's, hence both headstamps can be found (PAK38 and KwK39) case length being 419mm. Priming was electric C/22 in the KwK and percussion C/12 in the PAK. The same APHE/APCR and HE projectiles were used in both cases.
Regards

 

[waffenamt]

Lads,
Just got back now from the show and im bloody knackered!
I will post pics of various swag items fully in the next couple of days.
Had a great time.
Always great to see the lads and meet new faces too.

best

waff

 

[Big Dave]

Hi Waff have you had that shower yet ? It was good to meet and have a chat regards Dave

 

[AndyD]

Hi Dave,
I think I walked past you in a hurry,if it was you sorry,couldn't stop!

Cheers,
Andy

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

Poor old Waffy

Nice to see you in action Waffy heaving al those really "big uns" around like they were 17 pounders-no wonder you are knackered.

Bet you are llooking forward to a nice loooong hot soak in the tub to relieve all those tired and aching muscles as well as the blisters on those feet-tell Mick you want a pay rise:xd:

 

[Fusse2004]

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Shows nevertheless times pictures of the meeting in Beltring!!!!

 

[Falcon]

What I ended up doing at Beltring this year was looking at things and thinking "I don't really need that, I'll find something better". I come to time to leave and I've bought one shell case all day. So overall it was a let down for me, though partly my own fault.

 

[SG500]

What I ended up doing at Beltring this year was looking at things and thinking "I don't really need that, I'll find something better". I come to time to leave and I've bought one shell case all day. So overall it was a let down for me, though partly my own fault.

I suppose it depends on what you're after. This one kept me well happy but many wouldn't be interested in it. All INERT etc.
Dave.

 

[RichardB]

... Blimey, just caught up on this thread...sorry to cause confusion, all I can say is PEBKAC ("Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair")
I did know what it was, it even tells me on the bottom !!!

Yes I 100% agree, its a 5cm Kw.k 38 for the L/42 gun with Pzgr 39 Projectile.
Ive updated the original post to not confuse casual passers by !!...I'll post a pic of the headstamp at somepoint

:crossedlips:
Rich

 

[AndyD]

Here is my haul from this year!

Cheers,
Andy

 

[RichardB]

Whats the horizontal fuze at the bottom of the pic Andy....??

 

[AndyD]

WW1 French for use in large calibre rounds,I think the correct designation is, Mle 24-31.

Cheers,
Andy

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

No fuzes at Beltring

Here is my haul from this year!

Cheers,
Andy

No wonder I thought there was a distinct shortage of fuzes Andy-I was keeping a lookout for some nice ones for a fellow member and even commented to him that this year was very light on fuzes-now I know why!

Very nice indeed and I wish your wallet a speedy recovery!

 

[waffenamt]

A quick teaser from me with this years swag. Off for processing soon..
Yes,i must pick up the hoover from the menders as well today! :tinysmile_tongue_t:

best

waff

 

[pzgr40/42]

Hey Hairbarebunch,

I agree. Some more points of info however.

The 5 cm Kw.K. 38 actually was used as a standalone, albeit improvised, "PaK" as was the 5 cm Kw.K. 39 !
Basically these were both types of the aforementioned tankguns fitted with armour shields and a "bunkerlafette".
These guns were mainly placed in coastal defence works (usually concrete emplacements) However, I don't know wether or not the firing mechanism was changed, so these improvised "PaK's" may very well have used the electrically primed rounds.

The PzGr 40 (hartkern) rounds utilised another type of casing, equipped with a longer neck crimped to grip the projectile at the base and beneath the "bourrelet".
There exist both a short and long version of these cases, the short version only in use with the Kw.K 38 (electrically primed) and, its "PaK" dertivative" (however it is improbable that Hartkern rounds would have been used with the latter).
The longer version was in use with both the Kw.K. 39 and PaK 38, the main difference indeed being the electircal priming for Kw.K (and, again, probably it's "PaK" derivative ) vs mechanical priming for the PaK proper. I'm not sure wether or not these longer "hartkern cases" come stamped both "Kw.K" and "PaK".

And last, There was also a PzGr 40/1, a "Hartkern" shot redesigned to fit the standard Kw.K and PaK cases. (B.t.w. iff anyone has a 40/1 for sale, or any of the aforementioned Hartkern cases, I'd be very interested in buying them!!! )

greetz,

Menno.

 

[SG500]

A quick teaser from me with this years swag. Off for processing soon..
Yes,i must pick up the hoover from the menders as well today! :tinysmile_tongue_t:

best

waff

Nice one Waff, looks like you hoovered up the butterfly's before I got there.
Dave.

 

[Fjordhouse]

Hello Andy, nice finds, were did you find them? hahaha, i like to say thanks to all the guys that have been to the show, i had a good week, lot of beers, and had a great time. thanks Ben

 

[AndyD]

Hello Ben,

Most of them came from this friendly Dutch guy!

Cheers,
Andy

 

[F0031]

My War and Peace stuff. A great three days, and good to meet more Forum members. Thanks Paul & Mick for everything, especially for letting me sleep in your tent after I missed the last train home on Thursday night - thanks Martin for loan of the blanket for what would have been a cold night. And thanks to the German guys for the beer.