Falcon
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I'm not saying that the TA are walts, this guy had no training whatsoever and somehow got in by pretending to be an army doctor with combat experience.
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pointblank0
BOCN Supporter
Not digging into your post mate. I was comenting on the original link, I should have specified really
Andy, these things seem to happen more and more with vetting in this country, I mean take all the recent problems with child workers and schools etc. Terrible. Us Brits dont seem to see problems untill it's too late....when I say 'us Brits', I mean those special few that have somehow been 'vetted' to make important decisions.
Anyway, I'm grumpy and tired so better go to bed. Night all!
Quatermass
Well-Known Member
I'm not sure what point your trying to make here? Clearly this chap WASNT vetted properly.
If your point is that incidents happen more now that people are vetted then thats clearly nonsense, a criminal records check wont pick up a person whos never been convicted/suspected of a crime but it WILL pick up on somebody who has.
pointblank0
BOCN Supporter
That's exactly the point I am trying to make. People are not being vetted properly. I don't know whether it's a money thing or not. I am a serving Police officer now and it is not uncommon for an arrest enquiry to be set up to arrest a not so new recruit that has slipped through the net but has luckily been noticed later on. Just makes me wonder how many don't get picked up on.
Don't get me wrong, vetting has deffinitely saved some terrible incidents over the past. I should have made myself clearer in my original note.
Not meaning to upset anyone.
Rob
Don't get me wrong, vetting has deffinitely saved some terrible incidents over the past. I should have made myself clearer in my original note.
Not meaning to upset anyone.
Rob
Interesting thread this,I have never attempted to persuade anyone that I've ever been a member of any uniformed organisation past or present.I have,however,tried to persuade a few that I'm a sane,rational,ordinary sort of chap,like everyone else.The fact that for many years I've collected
Imperial German artefacts,have drawers full of sawback bayonets,and these days am happily fitting all manner of inert ammo in between the
pickelhauben make any such claims to rationality highly suspect,they think!
Such interests seem to be regarded as some sort of gene defect!!!
Imperial German artefacts,have drawers full of sawback bayonets,and these days am happily fitting all manner of inert ammo in between the
pickelhauben make any such claims to rationality highly suspect,they think!
Such interests seem to be regarded as some sort of gene defect!!!
re_enactment.......
Hi all.
I'm a South African Re_enactor with the SADF Living History Group in the UK. Most of the members in the group did their national service on the Border (The Border War - Namibia & Angola 1966 - 1989). As members of the group they wear their own uniform and/or uniform handed down by their dad's who served.
Part of my uniform is handed to me by my dad who had to do national service (not by choice) when they were 18. Both my dad's brothers also went to front line (infantry and mortar platoon) for duty and I also use some of their uniform.
I joined the group being South African and although I was too young to do national service; (if I had the chance I would have served in the SADF and done my Border Duty). When we do shows for the public, we wear the uniform, wear ranks and different insignia to add colour and character to the uniform. As a group we walk round fully equipped from time to time but do not run around a field pretending to shoot each other like most of them. We are one of the very few groups if not the only group that opens the camp to the public, that are the real nationality for the group and get involved with the public to share the information of the South African history with a living history museum to walk through. I’m very proud of my country and the uniform I wear, yes I did not deserve the uniform and I’ve never told anyone that I was in the Army. But if it is not for people like me sharing and education the public, history as we know it will be lost and shows like Beltring would not exist. It’s not right if people walk round telling lies but in the other had if every re_enactor walks round with no badges, insignia or ranks we would all look a bit stupid.
I was very surprised by the public’s interest in our group and the history, gave out all the brochures and business cards at this year’s show, and ran out of the public’s supply of beer also by the Friday due to so many showing interest. Even walking round the public showed a great response, stopping us for pictures and a lot of questions.
Andy ‘gothica7’
If you around next year for Beltring 2010, pop in at our camp for a beer on me.
It’s a great topic and everyone has some great opinions on the subject!
Hi all.
I'm a South African Re_enactor with the SADF Living History Group in the UK. Most of the members in the group did their national service on the Border (The Border War - Namibia & Angola 1966 - 1989). As members of the group they wear their own uniform and/or uniform handed down by their dad's who served.
Part of my uniform is handed to me by my dad who had to do national service (not by choice) when they were 18. Both my dad's brothers also went to front line (infantry and mortar platoon) for duty and I also use some of their uniform.
I joined the group being South African and although I was too young to do national service; (if I had the chance I would have served in the SADF and done my Border Duty). When we do shows for the public, we wear the uniform, wear ranks and different insignia to add colour and character to the uniform. As a group we walk round fully equipped from time to time but do not run around a field pretending to shoot each other like most of them. We are one of the very few groups if not the only group that opens the camp to the public, that are the real nationality for the group and get involved with the public to share the information of the South African history with a living history museum to walk through. I’m very proud of my country and the uniform I wear, yes I did not deserve the uniform and I’ve never told anyone that I was in the Army. But if it is not for people like me sharing and education the public, history as we know it will be lost and shows like Beltring would not exist. It’s not right if people walk round telling lies but in the other had if every re_enactor walks round with no badges, insignia or ranks we would all look a bit stupid.
I was very surprised by the public’s interest in our group and the history, gave out all the brochures and business cards at this year’s show, and ran out of the public’s supply of beer also by the Friday due to so many showing interest. Even walking round the public showed a great response, stopping us for pictures and a lot of questions.
Andy ‘gothica7’
If you around next year for Beltring 2010, pop in at our camp for a beer on me.
It’s a great topic and everyone has some great opinions on the subject!
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V40
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I do "Living History" as a soldier of SOG (MACVSOG). When I give speeches out especialy during our re-enactment I always tell the crowd right up front that I never served in Vietnam and the usage "we" means what they did in Laos, Cambodia, China, North Vietnam. Over the years I've spent around $10000 for my hobby ovrt the last 28+ years.
Here we have a problem with people claiming to be former Special Forces. Here we have one SF and that is in the army. The SEALS, Marine Recon, and Rangers are not Special Forces, period. The true SF's wear a Green Beret. I hoped I have emphasized that enough.
Here we have a problem with people claiming to be former Special Forces. Here we have one SF and that is in the army. The SEALS, Marine Recon, and Rangers are not Special Forces, period. The true SF's wear a Green Beret. I hoped I have emphasized that enough.
V40
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The are only just that SEALs. When JFK was around he gave permission to the Army elite to call them the SPECIAL FORCES/GREEN BERETS. Here we have only the Green Berets as SF. Nobody else is given this title. Remember the SEALs are just that, so is Marine Recon or Army Rangers as just themselves.
For example here in the states you ask a SEAL if he is Special Forces and he'll tell you no he is a Navy SEAL, and then start poking fun about them.
For example here in the states you ask a SEAL if he is Special Forces and he'll tell you no he is a Navy SEAL, and then start poking fun about them.
paul the grenade
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They are at it again! Do these people have no shame!!!!
Paul.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...ance-Day-Parade/Article/200912115491953?f=rss
Paul.
http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/UK...ance-Day-Parade/Article/200912115491953?f=rss
pointblank0
BOCN Supporter
Why do they always claim to have been special forces? Why not stick with something simple?
Gustaf
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In the US, we have a fairly new law, referred to as the "Stolen Valor Law", it has resulted in the prosecution of many of those who claim to be something they were not. It has also been a problem for collectors, as it forbids the possession of several of the higher medals awarded by the US Government (It has always been unlawful to buy or sell a Congressional Medal of Honor)
I live in a community that was founded by veterans of WWII and the Korean War, and many of my neighbors have done some very great things, but we seldom know about them until we attend their funeral, so I am always skeptical about some one who brags about their service. That being said, I have been taken in by at least one (possibly two) men who claimed to have done things that they have not, one was uncovered by the director of a museum that I work with, the other, I have lost contact with, but I do know that he did do much of what he claims, but there are some memories that do not match up with history.
US service records are so bad, that is is difficult for a veteran of WWII to get benefits they deserve, but it is possible for some one to forge documents to get these benefits, the new law has made it possible to prosecute some of those who have been discovered.
I live in a community that was founded by veterans of WWII and the Korean War, and many of my neighbors have done some very great things, but we seldom know about them until we attend their funeral, so I am always skeptical about some one who brags about their service. That being said, I have been taken in by at least one (possibly two) men who claimed to have done things that they have not, one was uncovered by the director of a museum that I work with, the other, I have lost contact with, but I do know that he did do much of what he claims, but there are some memories that do not match up with history.
US service records are so bad, that is is difficult for a veteran of WWII to get benefits they deserve, but it is possible for some one to forge documents to get these benefits, the new law has made it possible to prosecute some of those who have been discovered.
Ive been following this one on a few other forums that I frequent. Here is a close up of his, ahem, medals.
He's wearing them incorrectly in so many ways.
- Worn on 2 rows, not a single row.
- He has a Queen's Commendation for Valuable Service on a gallantry award that is awarded for service under fire. The QCVS is for service not under fire.
- Has an MID on a gallantry medal instead of a campaign medal.
- He is wearing foreign awards that have not been authorised for wear.
- He is wearing foreign awards mixed up with British awards. They should be worn after all British awards.
- He shouldn't wear a MC and MM together. If he was commissioned, the MM would be upgraded to an MC and a bar added for his second MC
- The NATO medal should be worn as a campaign medal, before his LS&GC and foreign awards
- MSM is awarded for a minimum 27 years service.
- He has officer medals but has a ORs cap badge.
- DSO awarded to Major or above, so how many extra years after his 27? Sometimes to Captain, rarely to Lieutenants
- He has the CSM Clasp Kuwait AND Gulf Medal. One or the other was awarded but not both. Two medal rule.
- He has a rosette on the ribbon of the Gulf Medal but no clasp. The rosette is for wear on the ribbon bar.
- Appalling method of mounting, stitching through the front of the ribbon!!
