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Shanghai Police
TonyE/GI Zhou,
Tony, the "dot-in-circle" and "divided triangle" apparently appear on .455" Mk.2 revolver ball rounds and .380 ACP ball rounds ordered by the Shanghai Municipal Police from Kynochs in 1935 and 1938. The late Peter Labbett wrote an article for Guns Review (Feb. 1986, p112) which mentions these headstamps.
GI Zhou,
Peter Labbett only mentions these pistol cartridges as having these headstamps. Do you know if they actually made any .303 with them, at all?
Roger.
TonyE/GI Zhou,
Tony, the "dot-in-circle" and "divided triangle" apparently appear on .455" Mk.2 revolver ball rounds and .380 ACP ball rounds ordered by the Shanghai Municipal Police from Kynochs in 1935 and 1938. The late Peter Labbett wrote an article for Guns Review (Feb. 1986, p112) which mentions these headstamps.
GI Zhou,
Peter Labbett only mentions these pistol cartridges as having these headstamps. Do you know if they actually made any .303 with them, at all?
Roger.
MissingSomething
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Cataloging
Cataloging the collection and came across this...
Not marked Mk.IV but has a Mk. IV projectile...
Any info? (First 2 pictures)
Also found this... someone looks to have made it....
(Last 3 pictures) Brass tube goes right to the bottom of the case, bullet is soldiered in...
Cataloging the collection and came across this...
Not marked Mk.IV but has a Mk. IV projectile...
Any info? (First 2 pictures)
Also found this... someone looks to have made it....
(Last 3 pictures) Brass tube goes right to the bottom of the case, bullet is soldiered in...
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SMP ammo
There is a .303 MkVII flat based projectile (unfired) marked SMP in existence, held by a fellow in Missouri, and there was no case with it.
I was teh individual who passed the information to a certain Northern Californian cartridge collector that he was the proud holder of a SMP Kynoch .380ACP cartridge at 2.15 am one morning; after being sent an email at 2 a.m. I used the info Peter Labbett had previously sent me in a letter, which I kept with others of his and other poeople, who have helped me research the SMP. He didn't quite take it in at the time, but I am assured he was over the moon ince it had sunk in.
There is a .303 MkVII flat based projectile (unfired) marked SMP in existence, held by a fellow in Missouri, and there was no case with it.
TonyE
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Various .303
The FN made .303 with the odd aluminium bullet is a grenade launching blank of some kind, but I do not know anything more than that. A similar bullet is also found loaded in 7.62 x 51mm rounds.
The "DI Z" Canadian round looks like some kind of home made adaptor, but could be something else entirely. The flash hole looks like it has been drilled out but beyond that I cannot help. Paul Smith in Canada should be the man to tell you about it. Try posting it on the IAA.
The last round, the Kynoch incendiary, is actually not a B.IV, but what is known as a B.IV*z trade pattern incendiary.
These were contract rounds made by Kynoch for overseas customers, and when war broke out they were accepted into British service as the B.IV*z. They differ slightly internally from the normal B.IV and if you compare them, the bullet shoulder is in a different position. There is another version headstamped "K 39 VIIB" which has a slightly different bullet again and a blue tip.
Regards
TonyE
The FN made .303 with the odd aluminium bullet is a grenade launching blank of some kind, but I do not know anything more than that. A similar bullet is also found loaded in 7.62 x 51mm rounds.
The "DI Z" Canadian round looks like some kind of home made adaptor, but could be something else entirely. The flash hole looks like it has been drilled out but beyond that I cannot help. Paul Smith in Canada should be the man to tell you about it. Try posting it on the IAA.
The last round, the Kynoch incendiary, is actually not a B.IV, but what is known as a B.IV*z trade pattern incendiary.
These were contract rounds made by Kynoch for overseas customers, and when war broke out they were accepted into British service as the B.IV*z. They differ slightly internally from the normal B.IV and if you compare them, the bullet shoulder is in a different position. There is another version headstamped "K 39 VIIB" which has a slightly different bullet again and a blue tip.
Regards
TonyE
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MissingSomething
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Thanks TonyE, I appreciate the help :tinysmile_fatgrin_t
More to come....
More to come....
TonyE
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BIV*z
Here are a couple of labels for the trade pattern of the BIV incendiary.
The first is a 10 round packet containing rounds with the same headstamp as yours.
The second is an outer label for a crate with 39 x 32 round packets. Don't ask why, it is probably because that is the best fit for an existing crate. I do not know which of the two types of BIV*z this refers tp.
Regards
TonyE
Here are a couple of labels for the trade pattern of the BIV incendiary.
The first is a 10 round packet containing rounds with the same headstamp as yours.
The second is an outer label for a crate with 39 x 32 round packets. Don't ask why, it is probably because that is the best fit for an existing crate. I do not know which of the two types of BIV*z this refers tp.
Regards
TonyE
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