Three ww1 pieces: 15cm, 85mm, 75mm

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Hello everyone,
a friend of mine has these, but as he does not use the WWW due to his age, I offered to post pictures and find out some info.

15 cm: empty, 50 cm height, around 30 kilo weight, German Doppelzünder

85mm: maybe french?

75mm: empty, strange fuze

Thank you for any info,
Chris

 

[sgdbdr]

85mm is most likely british (marked 18 PR ?)
75mm is probably a french shrapnel (Mod 1897 ?) with a beehive fuze type 24/31 Model 1915, 16 or 18

Cheers,

S.

 

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85mm is most likely british (marked 18 PR ?)
75mm is probably a french shrapnel (Mod 1897 ?) with a beehive fuze type 24/31 Model 1915, 16 or 18

Cheers,

S.

Thank you.
Could it be the time fuze 22/31 ?

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[Alpini]

The 15 cm is most probably a 15 c Gr.14A (grey cast iron) or less probable a 15 cm Gr.14 (cast steel). The fuze isn't the right one for this shell and it makes no sense to place it in the case (it was separate loaded)

 

[Alpini]

Could it be the time fuze 22/31 ?

Wanted to say the same. On shrapnels 22-31 size was used.

 

[Alpini]

Factory stamp "R" on the 15 cm is probably the Völklinger Hütte "Röchling"

 

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Thanks for the Info.
I found a data sheet that states the Doppelzünder is not wrong for this projectile

//edit: maybe you meant the "bottom piece" and not the fuze. Sorry, I am not a native english speaker. In German "Treibladungs-Hülse", maybe "propellant shell" ?
How would a correct one look like?

 

[Alpini]

Your picture is showing 2nd world war documents with second world war shells but your shell is from from 1st WW between 1914 and 1917.

The Dopp.Z.92 was not used on your shell - no matter if you have a "15 cm Gr. 14." or a "15 cm Gr. 14 A". If you have a "15 cm Gr.14" then possible "Dopp.Z.*" fuzes are the "Dopp.Z.92 lg. Brlg." and the "Dopp.Z.92 n.F." but even these two are rare on this shell and also the Gr.Z.17 was used. The normal standard fuze for both possible shell types was the "Gr.Z.14 n/A". If your shell is a "15 cm Gr.14 A"(which it is most likely) then only the "Gr.Z.14 (n.A.)" was used.

If you have tools to measure the wall thickness or if you find more stamps on the shell I can tell you what shell you exactly have.

"Treibladungs-Hülse" is a complicated word for "Kartuschhülse/Hülsenkartusche" and means directly translated "propellant case". Your case seems to be the correct one but I can't say for sure without seeing it's stamps.

 

[doctor]

The 15 cm shell is the 15 cm Gr 14 (groove inside the eye to fit and stop screwing zdlg 92 inside when it's used) It's not 15cm Gr 14 A

 

[Alpini]

The 15 cm shell is the 15 cm Gr 14 (groove inside the eye to fit and stop screwing zdlg 92 inside when it's used) It's not 15cm Gr 14 A

Good point! But are you 100% sure that only the 15 cm Gr.14 was made with the short thread? I ask because the long thread (without the groove) was used on both shells (14 and 14 A). So the 15 cm Gr. 14 existed with long thread and short thread. If the groove was present depended on the type of production.

 

[doctor]

Good point! But are you 100% sure that only the 15 cm Gr.14 was made with the short thread? I ask because the long thread (without the groove) was used on both shells (14 and 14 A). So the 15 cm Gr. 14 existed with long thread and short thread. If the groove was present depended on the type of production.

The shells i've observed about 15 cm Gr 14 A have long threaded eye and no see the groove for Zdldg 92. The shells 15cm Gr 14 observed have this groove or not groove but short threaded eye (no deep)
15 cm Gr14 mVf (3 driving bands) short thread (no deep) and 15 cm gr 14 mvf (4 driving bands) short thread and groove for zdldg 92.
i've see nothing in documentation about these threaded eyes ....

 

[Alpini]

Hi,

attached are two drawings of the 15 cm Gr. 14 (Stahlguss - cast steel). Both drawings are from the same day: 1914-09-30. One with long thread and the other one with short tread. Really strange why both existed. Maybe the long thread was for the 15 cm Gr.14 with the old "Zündvorrichtung 88" fuze.

Then I read the filling instruction for the 15 cm Gr. 14 Üb and 15 cm Gr. 14 A Üb. For both shells the Dopp.Z.92 lg. Brlg. + Zündladung 92 was allowed (beside several other fuzes).

Sadly I don't have many drawings of the 15 cm Gr. 14 A. So I don't have any proof if it existed also with both thread types.

 

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Thank you, very valuable information for me.
I will look for more stamps on my next visit.

I would look to trade these 3 pieces from my friend. Can anyone advise on a reasonable trade value among collectors ?