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Russian Pet or Mine?
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Grenademan2005
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Thank you Dano.
This very general info, I was looking for details and drawings on the relaese mechanism of the charges and what fuze was used etc.
Spoken from a point of safety and luxury. You have to keep in context just how bad things were, and remember that entire companies of soldiers were sacrificed for what today might appear as minor military goals. Rover can do his part just like the rest of us. I'm sure just as many or more ended up on a spit, doing their part in other, more savory ways.
Grenademan2005
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Yes, there were other times and other ways to do things. Today those practices would be considered as terrible practices.
Found these pictures on the net.
strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Krieghund.htm
worldwartwozone.com/forums/showthread.php?761...
strangevehicles.greyfalcon.us/Krieghund.htm
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Kilroy was Here
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Ivashkin
Here on the site described the mine
Sorry, but I disagree EOD...... post #15 from Ivashkin clearly shows pics the actuating mechanism fuze and charge of the Dog mine.
The mine uses a standard MUV pull fuze and detonator. The wood lever pulls out the safety pin from MUV fuze when the lever is pushed downward. A charge on the back of the dog sits on a wood plate or platform. On the side of the dog are 6kg's of smaller 400 gram charges in the two bags, there are approx thirty smaller 400 gram charges, that are set off by det cord and detonator caps connected to the smaller charge on the dogs back.
In post #13Andysarmory-Andy tells how to use the google translator to read the webpage.
Thanks Andy, good advice and a reminder how to read different language web sites.
That webpage also tells about the "second type" of dog mine, the "Brown Dog" type mentioned earlier, in which the dog was not to be killed with the mine.
The mine bags were to be "released by the dog" on a whistle command signal from the dog handler. The dog would pull or move the handle looking device on the left side of the dogs head, and the mine bags would fall off the dog via some type of quick parachute release device.
Here's the "funny translation" of what I've explained above.
"Under this scenario pack was placed solderless
Here is the webpage already translated. Not the best translator that google has, but you can make some sense of it.
Engineering ammunition
Red Army
Anti-tank mine mobile
(Anti-dog)
Certain names and the index does not, because the mine is actually held combat tests under combat conditions in summer and autumn of 1941 and due to a number of reasons, most important of which should be considered a full neefektivnost (due to the inability of dogs to perform the task of delivering mines to enemy tank) and the danger to its troops, the arms was not adopted.
Structurally, mine is a dog pack of canvas with two side bags in which were placed two charges of TNT to 6 kg. in each, and a small wooden seat, which housed an explosive device. Sensor goal is spring-loaded wooden pin height of about 20cm.
As conceived by the founders of mine dog trained to find their food under the tank, released from the trench in the direction of attacking German tanks, ran to the car and dove under his bottom. At the same time recede pin forced work MUV fuse and the explosion of 4.12 kg. TNT in the immediate vicinity of the bottom, its breach, which led to the destruction of the crew, a fire inside the car and the explosion of ammunition.
Two charges of 6 kg. TNT in the side bags are connected with an explosive device detonating cord segments
The bomb, placed on the dog's back, is a metal box (1), riveted to the board. Box has a hinged lid under which the embedded 400-gram TNT block.
checker does not get to the bottom, which has four spring clips for securing caps detonators and detonating cords. Cords come out through two side vents. The front of the box also has a hole for the passage sunk into the MD-2
In addition, the front wall of the box riveted casing (3), the main purpose of which serve as a basis for double-arm lever-target sensor (4). In addition, the casing protects the fuse from unwanted external influences. Casing IMET foramen ovale in the butt to fuse, oblong hole in the top lever, side oval holes for the control of fuse, remove the fuse safety checks and safety checks mines. In addition, a metal loop for fastening tension spring, whereby the lever-sensor target uderzhivatesya upright.
Double-arm lever is out of the box, into which is inserted into a wooden pin and a bent metal teeth included in the P-shaped combat check fuse Tooth have a hole through which passes the axis of rotation, which ends are fixed in the openings of the casing (3) and the hole for safety checks, which also passes through housing, through the holes.
When podgototovke mines for use in the box (1) through the appropriate holes inserted two transmitters detonation (cut detonating cord with a detonator capsule on the end) and fastened in the clamps. Then on top of the box embedded TNT block. After this pack with an explosive device worn on the dog.
All other actions for the preparation of mines is performed only at the application site. To this end, the hole in the front wall of the casing (3) is inserted into the fuse with a fuse MSY MD-2 so that the tooth is double-arm lever went into the hole P-shaped checks. The hole is closed butterfly valve. Through the side hole of the fuse casing is removed fuze safety pin. Mina is now in the mode of pre-alert.
When you are on the battlefield the enemy tank, the dog is derived from the trench and as soon as it recognizes the goal and is prepared to move to it from the casing is removed mine safety pin (5).
Since then, double-arm lever-target sensor (4) is held in an upright position only at the expense of the spring. A dog carrying a pack on his back with the mine, close to the tank and dives under his bottom to the front. Wooden pin, resting in the armor of the tank, was rejected back, overcoming the resistance of the spring.
Double-arm lever thus begins to rotate around its axis. Tooth rises up and pulls out a military P-shaped check the fuse. Vacant drummer under the influence of its spring goes ahead and prick the capsule fuse. Explosion.
Detonation of 400-gram pieces (the intermediate detonator), through the transmitters of detonation is transferred to the two bags with the main charge.
Since the 12.4 kg. TNT are in close proximity to the bottom, the explosion of the number of explosive leads to his breakout, and exit the machine out of order.
Tactical and technical characteristics of mobile antitank mines ....................................... Remote forced liquidation of mines not provided. Obezvrezhivaemost mines was not considered. Information about the quantities manufactured mines, their packaging is not available. No markings on mine are not applied. Metal part mines are colored dark green tarpaulin was the natural color canvas. Pack sizes were determined individually for each dog.
The original version of this mine provided a slightly different version of the trip mines. As conceived by creator.
dog (medium mines) held special training and could be reused, not only against tanks, but also against any other objects that may kill or incapacitate, damage explosion (bunkers, pillboxes, bronekolpaki, warehouses, bunkers, artillery positions, stacks of ammunition or fuel). Under this scenario pack was placed solderless
However, to train dogs so complicated actions and maneuvers (concealed closer to the object, to determine the location of the mines profitable, decide to discard, to implement this relief) was impossible. Displaying the military leadership of successful actions of such a dog, based on which it was decided to develop this method, mine warfare, was an elementary fraud. In fact, the dog, Inga long time coach at a specific place in Moscow in the landfill the same action, made primitive training on the principles of the circus.
Sources
Originally Posted by Ivashkin
Here on the site described the mine
Sorry, but I disagree EOD...... post #15 from Ivashkin clearly shows pics the actuating mechanism fuze and charge of the Dog mine.
The mine uses a standard MUV pull fuze and detonator. The wood lever pulls out the safety pin from MUV fuze when the lever is pushed downward. A charge on the back of the dog sits on a wood plate or platform. On the side of the dog are 6kg's of smaller 400 gram charges in the two bags, there are approx thirty smaller 400 gram charges, that are set off by det cord and detonator caps connected to the smaller charge on the dogs back.
In post #13Andysarmory-Andy tells how to use the google translator to read the webpage.
Thanks Andy, good advice and a reminder how to read different language web sites.
That webpage also tells about the "second type" of dog mine, the "Brown Dog" type mentioned earlier, in which the dog was not to be killed with the mine.
The mine bags were to be "released by the dog" on a whistle command signal from the dog handler. The dog would pull or move the handle looking device on the left side of the dogs head, and the mine bags would fall off the dog via some type of quick parachute release device.
Here's the "funny translation" of what I've explained above.
"Under this scenario pack was placed solderless
.The dog drew near to the object itself or on the whistle for a special breeder pulled the lever to the left of the muzzle. Locks (similar to a parachute backpack locks, ie the combination of eyelets, cones and rods) to disclose and pack fell to the ground. Dog returns to the dog breeder, and a mine explosion occurred either from hitting the tank at the pin, or (if undermined stationary object) of delayed-action fuse."
Here is the webpage already translated. Not the best translator that google has, but you can make some sense of it.
Engineering ammunition
Red Army
Anti-tank mine mobile
(Anti-dog)
M
ine is designed to destroy enemy tanks. The nature of fragmentation protivodnischevoy mine with pin probe target. Mina mobile and delivered to the purpose of specially trained dogs. Certain names and the index does not, because the mine is actually held combat tests under combat conditions in summer and autumn of 1941 and due to a number of reasons, most important of which should be considered a full neefektivnost (due to the inability of dogs to perform the task of delivering mines to enemy tank) and the danger to its troops, the arms was not adopted.
"Tankhund mit Sprengausriftung",
Several dead dogs with the mine fell into the hands of the Wehrmacht, where she was named "Tankhund mit Sprengausriftung", and German propaganda department of mines deployed around a noisy campaign to discredit the Red Army and the ideas of socialism. In the Red Army to the idea of moving mine to the use of dogs as a negative view. Structurally, mine is a dog pack of canvas with two side bags in which were placed two charges of TNT to 6 kg. in each, and a small wooden seat, which housed an explosive device. Sensor goal is spring-loaded wooden pin height of about 20cm.
As conceived by the founders of mine dog trained to find their food under the tank, released from the trench in the direction of attacking German tanks, ran to the car and dove under his bottom. At the same time recede pin forced work MUV fuse and the explosion of 4.12 kg. TNT in the immediate vicinity of the bottom, its breach, which led to the destruction of the crew, a fire inside the car and the explosion of ammunition.
Two charges of 6 kg. TNT in the side bags are connected with an explosive device detonating cord segments
.
At both ends of the detonating cord attached blasting cap? 8. Lower blasting cap is inserted into one of the TNT blocks a charge and the upper entered through a side opening in a box of explosive devices and fixed terminals is saber intermediate detonator. The bomb, placed on the dog's back, is a metal box (1), riveted to the board. Box has a hinged lid under which the embedded 400-gram TNT block.
Благодаря внутренним полочкам
Due to internal shelves
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Here, the front wall of riveted sleeve (2) to fuse the MSY. In addition, the front wall of the box riveted casing (3), the main purpose of which serve as a basis for double-arm lever-target sensor (4). In addition, the casing protects the fuse from unwanted external influences. Casing IMET foramen ovale in the butt to fuse, oblong hole in the top lever, side oval holes for the control of fuse, remove the fuse safety checks and safety checks mines. In addition, a metal loop for fastening tension spring, whereby the lever-sensor target uderzhivatesya upright.
Double-arm lever is out of the box, into which is inserted into a wooden pin and a bent metal teeth included in the P-shaped combat check fuse Tooth have a hole through which passes the axis of rotation, which ends are fixed in the openings of the casing (3) and the hole for safety checks, which also passes through housing, through the holes.
When podgototovke mines for use in the box (1) through the appropriate holes inserted two transmitters detonation (cut detonating cord with a detonator capsule on the end) and fastened in the clamps. Then on top of the box embedded TNT block. After this pack with an explosive device worn on the dog.
.
In the side bags are put thirty 400-gram TNT blocks (15 in each bag). In one of the pieces of each bag is inserted into the second end of the transmitter detonation. All other actions for the preparation of mines is performed only at the application site. To this end, the hole in the front wall of the casing (3) is inserted into the fuse with a fuse MSY MD-2 so that the tooth is double-arm lever went into the hole P-shaped checks. The hole is closed butterfly valve. Through the side hole of the fuse casing is removed fuze safety pin. Mina is now in the mode of pre-alert.
When you are on the battlefield the enemy tank, the dog is derived from the trench and as soon as it recognizes the goal and is prepared to move to it from the casing is removed mine safety pin (5).
Double-arm lever thus begins to rotate around its axis. Tooth rises up and pulls out a military P-shaped check the fuse. Vacant drummer under the influence of its spring goes ahead and prick the capsule fuse. Explosion.
Since the 12.4 kg. TNT are in close proximity to the bottom, the explosion of the number of explosive leads to his breakout, and exit the machine out of order.
Tactical and technical characteristics of mobile antitank mines ....................................... Remote forced liquidation of mines not provided. Obezvrezhivaemost mines was not considered. Information about the quantities manufactured mines, their packaging is not available. No markings on mine are not applied. Metal part mines are colored dark green tarpaulin was the natural color canvas. Pack sizes were determined individually for each dog.
The original version of this mine provided a slightly different version of the trip mines. As conceived by creator.
.
The dog drew near to the object itself or on the whistle for a special breeder pulled the lever to the left of the muzzle. Locks (similar to a parachute backpack locks, ie the combination of eyelets, cones and rods) to disclose and pack fell to the ground. Dog returns to the dog breeder, and a mine explosion occurred either from hitting the tank at the pin, or (if undermined stationary object) of delayed-action fuse. However, to train dogs so complicated actions and maneuvers (concealed closer to the object, to determine the location of the mines profitable, decide to discard, to implement this relief) was impossible. Displaying the military leadership of successful actions of such a dog, based on which it was decided to develop this method, mine warfare, was an elementary fraud. In fact, the dog, Inga long time coach at a specific place in Moscow in the landfill the same action, made primitive training on the principles of the circus.
Sources
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1.Inzhenernye ammunition. Руководство по материальной части и применению.
Guide to the material part and application. Книга первая. Военное издательство МО СССР.
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Presumably edition 1943-44 period. 5.Коллекция Д.Горбовского.
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