Random Museum Ordnance Photos

[US-Subs]

 

[US-Subs]

 

[HAZORD]

Jeff, do you have any info about the item in photos 12, 13, and 14? It looks like an early experimental fuze extender (daisy cutter).

 

[Nabob]

Hallo Jeff,
do the pictures 10 and 11 belong together?

Thanks, Bob

 

[US-Subs]

No, I'm sorry, my mistake. Too many things at once and I grabbed the wrong photos. I'm on the range in a few minutes, so I'll try and fix this weekend.

 

[Bellifortis]

Hallo,
the first 2 photos above show, according to the museum-label, the M-168 proximity fuze. The date on the label is 1974. Does anyone know when and for which ordnance this fuze was first introduced ? Thanking you in advance for your kind consideration, I remain,
Your's Bellifortis.

 

[bdgreen]

Bellifortis,

Maybe this is of some help: http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/37315-M168-E1-proximity-bomb-fuze-US?highlight=mrfuze


See attached pictures & information from Summary Technical Report of Division 4, National Defense Research Committee, Vol. 1, Radio Proximity Fuzes for Fin-Stabilized Missiles, 1946.

Note that the M-168 was originally called the T 91 or T 91-E1.

 

[weberoed]

Bomb fuze, but what is interesting is the Soviets copied it and a very close copy if was used on Soviet rockets, I don;t recall the designation right now but will check for it later today.

 

[MINENAZ16]

Jeff, do you have any info about the item in photos 12, 13, and 14? It looks like an early experimental fuze extender (daisy cutter).

Hello John,

It's a french bomb tail fuze Schneider Remondy model 1938.

Regards

 

[MINENAZ16]

Hello,

Pictures 1&2 : Example of VT fuze with the same shape (bombs & rockets)

 

[US-Subs]

Bellifortis,

Maybe this is of some help: http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/threads/37315-M168-E1-proximity-bomb-fuze-US?highlight=mrfuze


See attached pictures & information from Summary Technical Report of Division 4, National Defense Research Committee, Vol. 1, Radio Proximity Fuzes for Fin-Stabilized Missiles, 1946.

Note that the M-168 was originally called the T 91 or T 91-E1.

I have two of the fuzes, externally identical. One is marked as a bomb fuze, one as a rocket fuze. I'll try to put them on the things to look for this weekend.

 

[US-Subs]

Hello John,

It's a french bomb tail fuze Schneider Remondy model 1938.

Regards

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I'm pretty sure that is consistent with the museum markings as well - French Tail Fuze.

 

[US-Subs]

As explained in another thread, I recently was able to visit the museum at Rock Island Arsenal. The Director very kindly invited me back during non-visiting hours and during a lull at work I had about 90 minutes to dash through their vault area and take a few ordnance photos with a pocket camera. I tried to get identification info on the first few items, but it quickly became clear that explosive ordnance was not their "thing" and it took too much time. Also there were some large caliber items on the shelves. I could see 155s, 175s, 8-inch but I could not pull them by myself and replace them in the time available. So no ID, and not the best photos, but here are most of the pieces from Rock Island. (in about 3 posts)

 

[kahu1]

Always hard to know where to start when you get that sort of access!.
Is pic #14 the subcal/rimfire adaptor for the 30-06 MG?.

 

[weberoed]

pic 10 and 14 ? anything on them? thanks Jeff

 

[Bellifortis]

That's exactly the reason why I asked. The russian copy is named RV-1-U and appears to be their first Radar Proximity fuze with Ram-Air-Turbine-Generator. If I'm not mistaken they got the US fuze from a downed US aircraft lifted up from the south-china-seas. That's why I asked what munition the US-fuze was meant for. The russian fuze was copied from an air to air rocket fuze. This was the first proximity fuze used in dogfights over Vietnam. The russian fuze was introduced in 1957 for the RS-1-U (K5) beam-riding missile with a burnout V of 800m/sec.(1788 mph)and a max.kill range of 3 km. The fuze had a detection radius of 10m. This fuze still used vacuum tubes.
Regards,
Bellifortis.

Bomb fuze, but what is interesting is the Soviets copied it and a very close copy if was used on Soviet rockets, I don;t recall the designation right now but will check for it later today.

 

[US-Subs]

That's exactly the reason why I asked. The russian copy is named RV-1-U and appears to be their first Radar Proximity fuze with Ram-Air-Turbine-Generator. If I'm not mistaken they got the US fuze from a downed US aircraft lifted up from the south-china-seas. That's why I asked what munition the US-fuze was meant for. The russian fuze was copied from an air to air rocket fuze. This was the first proximity fuze used in dogfights over Vietnam. The russian fuze was introduced in 1957 for the RS-1-U (K5) beam-riding missile with a burnout V of 800m/sec.(1788 mph)and a max.kill range of 3 km. The fuze had a detection radius of 10m. This fuze still used vacuum tubes.
Regards,
Bellifortis.

Here are mine.

 

[US-Subs]

Kahu1 and Mike, no idea on 10 and 14. I took a vertical shot of the fuze, but was defeated by autofocus and not checking my work. I included the links and small stuff figuring some of our specialists would have no problem? Here is a tighter view of the unidentified fuze. Anyone have an idea what the item is in the last two photos? I was not sure if it was ordnance or a gun part, though they have it in with the ord. The base, copper band and perforations just below the ogive have me puzzled.

 

[ordnance]

Jeff,

The item in the last three photos is a blank firing attachment for the M1919A6 Browning machine gun.

 

[kahu1]

Pic#14, looks like the cal.22 Cartridge Holder for the cal.30 machine gun with .22 sub cal trainer conversion.
Have only seen pics of these with cloth belts, though makes sense for steel link as well.
ref.'History of modern U.S. military small arms ammuntion,vol,2.'(Hackley/Woodin/Scranton).



Bob