Investment
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Japanese f headstamp
- Thread starter BOUGAINVILLE
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Hi guys,
GREAT to see this take off so nicely!
Thanks for sharing the info!
I've not yet shifted through my docs to compile a list of what I have, but there are some great titles there too. Also, I've downloaded a very extensive set of scans from microfilm on the USN reports about their mission to Japan. Some of it are rough and rudimentary, others contain interesting additions.
Most are not about ammunition, but other things.
Would ALL of those be of interest, or only the ammunition/weapons related ones?
Then, regarding Kirkee, I have scans of some 150 pages (pink paper ones) on ammo, incl. 20mm, 50mm, 70mm, 88mm, etc. It's a common digital title, yet people may not have it, so I can make that available too (as well as some more great titles, like NavSea OP 1667, a Japanese detailed document on ammo, etc.).
To be continued....
Cheers,
Olafo
GREAT to see this take off so nicely!
Thanks for sharing the info!
I've not yet shifted through my docs to compile a list of what I have, but there are some great titles there too. Also, I've downloaded a very extensive set of scans from microfilm on the USN reports about their mission to Japan. Some of it are rough and rudimentary, others contain interesting additions.
Most are not about ammunition, but other things.
Would ALL of those be of interest, or only the ammunition/weapons related ones?
Then, regarding Kirkee, I have scans of some 150 pages (pink paper ones) on ammo, incl. 20mm, 50mm, 70mm, 88mm, etc. It's a common digital title, yet people may not have it, so I can make that available too (as well as some more great titles, like NavSea OP 1667, a Japanese detailed document on ammo, etc.).
To be continued....
Cheers,
Olafo
MissingSomething
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WOW..... Personally I think that would be great!!!
I am into Ammunition and Ordnance and anything Japanese is most welcome.
Thanks to all that have shared (and are continuing to share) the wealth of knowledge and documents they have collected :tinysmile_fatgrin_t
BOUGAINVILLE
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Japanese infantry weapons & artillery
EBAY ALLERT. 2 DAYS LEFT.
I have both of these books and find them 150% in the wealth of information in them and some suburb illustrations, especially in the infantry weapons book which covers almost everything up to 70mm. Even on how to use them.
EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270404191287
WWII REPRINT Japanese Infantry Weapons Manual. Softbound. Titled JAPANESE INFANTRY WEAPONS VOL. 1. 241 pages. Full of text and great photos. Great piece of reference. Reprinted by US Combat Bookshelf in 1966.
EBAY ITEM NUMBER: 270404190561
WWII REPRINT Japanese Artillery Manual. Softbound. Titled JAPANESE ARTILLERY WEAPONS & TACTICS. 205 pages. Full of text and great photos. Reprinted by US Combat Bookshelf in the 60's.
Hope this is of help to anyone. Don't all bid as you will push the price up. Use www.auctionsniper.com to bid in the last few seconds.
Cheers,
BOUGAINVILLE:tinysmile_shy_t:
BOUGAINVILLE:tinysmile_shy_t:
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Jatp 32, 39 & 47
As requested at:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=421c0689816d69ee4c17ca8801618ef7cbc267fb13842846c95965eaa7bc68bc
As requested at:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=421c0689816d69ee4c17ca8801618ef7cbc267fb13842846c95965eaa7bc68bc
Thanks Bonnex
:shakehands:
:shakehands:
MissingSomething
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Jatr 52
Added for Jason but it does not say much about the No 91 Fuze I'm afraid.
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=421c0689816d69ee4c17ca8801618ef7cbc267fb13842846c95965eaa7bc68bc
Added for Jason but it does not say much about the No 91 Fuze I'm afraid.
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=421c0689816d69ee4c17ca8801618ef7cbc267fb13842846c95965eaa7bc68bc
Japanese No 91 Fuze
For Jason. Found info on No 91 Fuze (Japanese) in US TM 9-1985-5. Hope it is of use, lodged in usual place:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4...5965eaa7bc68bc
For Jason. Found info on No 91 Fuze (Japanese) in US TM 9-1985-5. Hope it is of use, lodged in usual place:
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4...5965eaa7bc68bc
Investment
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Many thanks Bonnex for the information on Jatr 52 and the Type 91 Fuze :shakehands:
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How about the Hotchkiss 37mm
These have some marks but seem to indicate inspection & Navy ? So could be French manufacture - but there seems to be no information on this size in Japanese service. Use would be the Revolving Cannon. E.O.C. is the Elswick Ordnance Company who made Hotchkiss products under license and would have perhaps acted as the British sales arm of Hotchkiss.
These have some marks but seem to indicate inspection & Navy ? So could be French manufacture - but there seems to be no information on this size in Japanese service. Use would be the Revolving Cannon. E.O.C. is the Elswick Ordnance Company who made Hotchkiss products under license and would have perhaps acted as the British sales arm of Hotchkiss.
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Hi,
Cool items!
Yes, I have a 47x130R APHE round that was manufactured by EOC for the IJN. EOC was definitely one of the manufacturers fullfilling that contract. I have also read that indeed the IJN used the 37mm Hotchkisses, but I've got little information on it.
Regarding the anchor style on the driving band: that's the very same style anchor as is present on my EOC manufactured 47x130R projectile. It doesn't match any of the IJN (known, at least) arsenal marks. It's my theory that this style of anchor would have been used on ammo of foreign manufacture, that was destined for the IJN. However, until substantiated, I cannot be sure about that.
Cheers!
Olafo
To bring us back a bit to the original topic of this thread, I have an interesting update. Previously I wrote:
Well then, with the addition of a Meiji era case, with otherwise pretty normal style IJA headstamp (Osaka manufactured in (September?) 1904), I can now at least say that the 'always?' part of my assumption is not correct, or at least not for non-Showa cases. Clearly the Meiji case I have has no 'F' anywhere on it!
I wonder when the 'F' was introduced, and/or if indeed it could mean 'full charge' with this case perhaps having been a semi-fixed case, with less than a full charge!
I'd be very interested to find out what this 'F' means indeed, and I'd also be very interested in seeing other non-Showa headstamps of big calibre ammo. Does anyone have any cases with Meiji or Taisho headstamps?
Cheers,
Olafo
Well then, with the addition of a Meiji era case, with otherwise pretty normal style IJA headstamp (Osaka manufactured in (September?) 1904), I can now at least say that the 'always?' part of my assumption is not correct, or at least not for non-Showa cases. Clearly the Meiji case I have has no 'F' anywhere on it!
I wonder when the 'F' was introduced, and/or if indeed it could mean 'full charge' with this case perhaps having been a semi-fixed case, with less than a full charge!
I'd be very interested to find out what this 'F' means indeed, and I'd also be very interested in seeing other non-Showa headstamps of big calibre ammo. Does anyone have any cases with Meiji or Taisho headstamps?
Cheers,
Olafo
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Japanese docs from Kirkee 'Indian army'
Hi all,
At present I'm on holiday in sunny Venezuela, but I'v got a few moments time to fullfill part of my contribution to the docs on Japanese ammo.
Over the past few weeks, my co-webmaster of the NVBMB and ECRA sites, Charles Raam, has done an excellent job in adding a great many docs from Kirkee to the 'digital library', that's hosted on the NVBMB site.
Being the webmaster there, I can directly hotlink to them, without issues of server providers etc., as the owner of the server is your's truly.
Nonetheless, it would be good if traffic could be limited, and if someone can perhaps add them to a specialised download server, such as is used for the previously posted docs, such that the load on my machine doesn't become too heavy.
Also, quite possibly there are duplicates between these ones, and the ones posted previously, but that's just a matter of filtering out the ones that weren't present already.
Enjoy!
Olafo
Japanese Ammunition; Magnetised Anti-Tank Mine, Type 99
C.I.AMM. No. 1
Japanese Ammunition; Grenade, Hand, or Discharger, H.E.,Type 91', and Grenade, Hand, H.E., Type '97
C.I.AMM. No. 5
Japanese Ammunition; Ammunition for 50 mm Rifled (Grenade) Discharger, Type '89
C.I.AMM. No. 6
Japanese Ammunition; Fuze, Percussion, D.A., Type '93 (small) for 37 mm Ammunition, H.E., Noze Fuzed, with 16 mm Fuze Hole.
C.I.AMM. No. 11
Japanese Ammunition; Pistol and Machine Carbine Ammunition
C.I.AMM. No. 22
Japanese Ammunition; Aircraft Cannon Cartridges, 12,7 mm Semi Rimless for Aircraft Cannons Browning Type
C.I.AMM. No. 24
Japanese Ammunition; Land Mine, A.T., Type '93
C.I.AMM. No. 25
Japanese mmunition; Bomb, H.E., 320 mm, Spigot Mortar (335 KG)
C.I.AMM. No. 27
Japanese mmunition; Ammunition for the Type '96, 25 mm Naval AA/AT., Q.F., Gun
C.I.AMM. No. 28
Japanese Ammunition; Cartridge Q.F. 75 mm with H.E., A.A. Shell Type '90 for 75 mm Type '88 Field/A.A. Gun
C.I.AMM. No. 29
Japanese Ammunition; Cartridge Q.F. 75 mm with H.E., A.A. Shell Type '90 for 75 mm Type '88 Field/A.A. Gun
C.I.AMM. No. 29 supplement AB
Japanese Ammunition; Cartridge Q.F. 75 mm with Hollow Charge A.T. / H.E. Shell (Type 2) Cartridge for 75 mm Regimental Gun, Type MEIJI '41
C.I.AMM. No. 30
Japanese Ammunition; Typical Primers Used in Gun Ammunition
C.I.AMM. No. 31
Japanese Ammunition; H.E., A.T., (Hollow Charge) Grenade for 30 mm Rifled Discharger Cup and Its Adaptation as 1/3 KG., H.E., A/C., (Hollow Charge) Bomb
C.I.AMM. No. 32
Japanese Ammunition; 2,5 Kg Spigot Charge For Projection From 50-Mm Grenade Discharger Type 98
C.I.AMM. No. 33
Japanese Ammunition; Nose Percussion Fuzes Type 88 Etc
C.I.AMM. No. 34
Japanese Ammunition; Electric Primer Fitted With Japanese Gaine Used In Naval Shell Etc
C.I.AMM. No. 35
Japanese Ammunition; Bangalore Torpedo Type 99
C.I.AMM. No. 36
Japanese Ammunition; Explosive Blocks And Prepared Charges Etc
C.I.AMM. No. 37
Japanese Ammunition; Typical Methods Of Filling He Nose Fuzed Shell
C.I.AMM. No. 38
Japanese Ammunition; Typical Methods Of Filling Aphe Base Fuzed Shell
C.I.AMM. No. 39
Japanese Ammunition; Ground Flares (Signal)
C.I.AMM. No. 40
Japanese Ammunition; B Cherry Tree Dynamite Mk 3
C.I.AMM. No. 41
Japanese Ammunition; Base Fuzes For Aphe Shell 37-Mm, 47-Mm And 75-Mm Calibres
C.I.AMM. No. 42
Japanese Ammunition; Grenade Hand Or Rifle Type 99A
C.I.AMM. No. 44
Japanese Ammunition; Grenade Hand He Type 98 (Stick Type)
C.I.AMM. No. 45
Japanese Ammunition; Dutch Mushroom-Top Land Mine
C.I.AMM. No. 47
Japanese Ammunition; Ammunition For 88-Mm Type 99 Aa Gun
C.I.AMM. No. 50
Japanese Ammunition; Time And Percussion Fuzes Use In Gun Ammunition
C.I.AMM. No. 52
Hi all,
At present I'm on holiday in sunny Venezuela, but I'v got a few moments time to fullfill part of my contribution to the docs on Japanese ammo.
Over the past few weeks, my co-webmaster of the NVBMB and ECRA sites, Charles Raam, has done an excellent job in adding a great many docs from Kirkee to the 'digital library', that's hosted on the NVBMB site.
Being the webmaster there, I can directly hotlink to them, without issues of server providers etc., as the owner of the server is your's truly.
Nonetheless, it would be good if traffic could be limited, and if someone can perhaps add them to a specialised download server, such as is used for the previously posted docs, such that the load on my machine doesn't become too heavy.
Also, quite possibly there are duplicates between these ones, and the ones posted previously, but that's just a matter of filtering out the ones that weren't present already.
Enjoy!
Olafo
Japanese Ammunition; Magnetised Anti-Tank Mine, Type 99
C.I.AMM. No. 1
Japanese Ammunition; Grenade, Hand, or Discharger, H.E.,Type 91', and Grenade, Hand, H.E., Type '97
C.I.AMM. No. 5
Japanese Ammunition; Ammunition for 50 mm Rifled (Grenade) Discharger, Type '89
C.I.AMM. No. 6
Japanese Ammunition; Fuze, Percussion, D.A., Type '93 (small) for 37 mm Ammunition, H.E., Noze Fuzed, with 16 mm Fuze Hole.
C.I.AMM. No. 11
Japanese Ammunition; Pistol and Machine Carbine Ammunition
C.I.AMM. No. 22
Japanese Ammunition; Aircraft Cannon Cartridges, 12,7 mm Semi Rimless for Aircraft Cannons Browning Type
C.I.AMM. No. 24
Japanese Ammunition; Land Mine, A.T., Type '93
C.I.AMM. No. 25
Japanese mmunition; Bomb, H.E., 320 mm, Spigot Mortar (335 KG)
C.I.AMM. No. 27
Japanese mmunition; Ammunition for the Type '96, 25 mm Naval AA/AT., Q.F., Gun
C.I.AMM. No. 28
Japanese Ammunition; Cartridge Q.F. 75 mm with H.E., A.A. Shell Type '90 for 75 mm Type '88 Field/A.A. Gun
C.I.AMM. No. 29
Japanese Ammunition; Cartridge Q.F. 75 mm with H.E., A.A. Shell Type '90 for 75 mm Type '88 Field/A.A. Gun
C.I.AMM. No. 29 supplement AB
Japanese Ammunition; Cartridge Q.F. 75 mm with Hollow Charge A.T. / H.E. Shell (Type 2) Cartridge for 75 mm Regimental Gun, Type MEIJI '41
C.I.AMM. No. 30
Japanese Ammunition; Typical Primers Used in Gun Ammunition
C.I.AMM. No. 31
Japanese Ammunition; H.E., A.T., (Hollow Charge) Grenade for 30 mm Rifled Discharger Cup and Its Adaptation as 1/3 KG., H.E., A/C., (Hollow Charge) Bomb
C.I.AMM. No. 32
Japanese Ammunition; 2,5 Kg Spigot Charge For Projection From 50-Mm Grenade Discharger Type 98
C.I.AMM. No. 33
Japanese Ammunition; Nose Percussion Fuzes Type 88 Etc
C.I.AMM. No. 34
Japanese Ammunition; Electric Primer Fitted With Japanese Gaine Used In Naval Shell Etc
C.I.AMM. No. 35
Japanese Ammunition; Bangalore Torpedo Type 99
C.I.AMM. No. 36
Japanese Ammunition; Explosive Blocks And Prepared Charges Etc
C.I.AMM. No. 37
Japanese Ammunition; Typical Methods Of Filling He Nose Fuzed Shell
C.I.AMM. No. 38
Japanese Ammunition; Typical Methods Of Filling Aphe Base Fuzed Shell
C.I.AMM. No. 39
Japanese Ammunition; Ground Flares (Signal)
C.I.AMM. No. 40
Japanese Ammunition; B Cherry Tree Dynamite Mk 3
C.I.AMM. No. 41
Japanese Ammunition; Base Fuzes For Aphe Shell 37-Mm, 47-Mm And 75-Mm Calibres
C.I.AMM. No. 42
Japanese Ammunition; Grenade Hand Or Rifle Type 99A
C.I.AMM. No. 44
Japanese Ammunition; Grenade Hand He Type 98 (Stick Type)
C.I.AMM. No. 45
Japanese Ammunition; Dutch Mushroom-Top Land Mine
C.I.AMM. No. 47
Japanese Ammunition; Ammunition For 88-Mm Type 99 Aa Gun
C.I.AMM. No. 50
Japanese Ammunition; Time And Percussion Fuzes Use In Gun Ammunition
C.I.AMM. No. 52
Investment
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I have just caught up with this thread and it's interesting to note that all of these files are identical to the originals listed by Bonnex at the link below.
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4...5965eaa7bc68bc
http://www.mediafire.com/?sharekey=4...5965eaa7bc68bc
Since this seems to be the thread where the Jap collectors hang out, does anyone have any information of a 120mm or 150mm Japanese Short Mortar?
I have had a bizarre Japanese 150mm mortar projectile for over 15 years that has no tail boom, the fins are welded to the body. It is an original piece, but extremely hard to find a reference on. To date I have found it referenced only in a photo (poor) in one of the Navy technical mission documents, and in a partial document on the short mortars (3-4 pages of ?) we found a photo attached with this document, identical to my projectile, but cannot say for certain that this is the projectile referred to in the document. During a week long search for Japanese ordnance info/photos at the US National Archive I found a photo from Sasebo Arsenal with two of them in an open crate - but no info.
I''m at work right now, I'll attach a photo when I get home this evening
I have had a bizarre Japanese 150mm mortar projectile for over 15 years that has no tail boom, the fins are welded to the body. It is an original piece, but extremely hard to find a reference on. To date I have found it referenced only in a photo (poor) in one of the Navy technical mission documents, and in a partial document on the short mortars (3-4 pages of ?) we found a photo attached with this document, identical to my projectile, but cannot say for certain that this is the projectile referred to in the document. During a week long search for Japanese ordnance info/photos at the US National Archive I found a photo from Sasebo Arsenal with two of them in an open crate - but no info.
I''m at work right now, I'll attach a photo when I get home this evening
Only thing I could find was this picture in a document of the REPORTS OF THE U. S. NAVAL TECHNICAL MISSION TO JAPAN document O-19.
This can be found at this site.
http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/ Go to primary documents, then goverment documents. then to U.S. Naval Technical Mission to Japan ( or click this link directly if it works).
Here are some more ordnance related documents for download here.
There is only a picture of the 15 cm mortar projectile here but it is not mentioned in the text.
See you soon.
Regards Blu.
This can be found at this site.
http://www.fischer-tropsch.org/ Go to primary documents, then goverment documents. then to U.S. Naval Technical Mission to Japan ( or click this link directly if it works).
Here are some more ordnance related documents for download here.
There is only a picture of the 15 cm mortar projectile here but it is not mentioned in the text.
See you soon.
Regards Blu.
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Thanks BLU- that is the same reference I mentioned in the earlier post. Other than that the only thing I've found is the photo from Sasebo - Nothing in my US, UK, Australian or Japanese references, and nothing has shown up similar in China either. Thought I'd bring it up on the off chance.....