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Help with these cartridges please?
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Hi Tony, try this thread from a while back,
http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/ballistite-cartridge-5-t13713.html?t=13713&highlight=ballistite
Tony.
http://www.bocn.co.uk/vbforum/ballistite-cartridge-5-t13713.html?t=13713&highlight=ballistite
Tony.
Happy to oblige -
freshly copied and pasted from ESTC -
CARTRIDGE BALLISTITE 5.56MM L1A1
I note its packed in an H83 Mk1 - NSN as previously stated.
TonyE
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L1a1
Well, the comments and picture on the other thread appear conclusive enough, but has anyone ever seen an L1A1 that looks like the drawing? I have L1A1 examples but they are all extended neck crimped blanks, not rosette crimped like the drawing, i.e they are training blanks.
The only grenade discharging cartridges I have seen for British trials/use are US made by Remington. I wonder if the L1A1 grenade discharger blank was in fact the British nomenclature for the US made item?
Regards
TonyE
Well, the comments and picture on the other thread appear conclusive enough, but has anyone ever seen an L1A1 that looks like the drawing? I have L1A1 examples but they are all extended neck crimped blanks, not rosette crimped like the drawing, i.e they are training blanks.
The only grenade discharging cartridges I have seen for British trials/use are US made by Remington. I wonder if the L1A1 grenade discharger blank was in fact the British nomenclature for the US made item?
Regards
TonyE
Line Thrower
Tony,
I have not seen one but it is a real bummer using Ball for line throwing, even for a matelo. Ballistite is much healthier and if there is such a thing it should be marked with usual blackened part of the case.
As I understand it the L60 grenade training kit came with French manufactured Ballistite cartridges.
Tony,
I have not seen one but it is a real bummer using Ball for line throwing, even for a matelo. Ballistite is much healthier and if there is such a thing it should be marked with usual blackened part of the case.
As I understand it the L60 grenade training kit came with French manufactured Ballistite cartridges.
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For UK forces, after the Energa grenade was declared obsolete, I don't believe we had any rifle grenades. For the first Gulf war (1991) and for its build-up in 1990 the UK bought bullet-trap rifle grenades (BTRG), I believe from Belgium. I forget the correct name now but we also bought some explosive filled lines with a ballistically shaped weight at the front end, that also worked on the bullet-trap principle. The idea was that the line could be projected onto a suspected anti-personnel minefield and detonated to clear a safe walkway through the minefield.
TonyE
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Not necessarily, the L1 describes the type of cartridge within a particular calibre and the A2 is the sub-type or modification number. The change may be primer manufacturer, small design change (like thickened case walls) or powder type.
I think I have got to the bottom of what the L1A1 grenade discharger is, and it is a foreign made blank, just as foreign made 7.62mm ball and tracer were given individual L numbers.
Regards
TonyhE
TonyE,
When you say "foreign made blank", do you mean that it is an imported one with foreign markings (i.e., like the 7.62 L16A1 ball rounds that we got from Norway, which, although it had the L16A1 on the box, just had the usual Norwegian military headstamp), or is it a contract job with the "L" number in the h/s? Which country are we importing it from?
Roger.
When you say "foreign made blank", do you mean that it is an imported one with foreign markings (i.e., like the 7.62 L16A1 ball rounds that we got from Norway, which, although it had the L16A1 on the box, just had the usual Norwegian military headstamp), or is it a contract job with the "L" number in the h/s? Which country are we importing it from?
Roger.