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Grenades to be auctioned

I'd love to see it, but don't know of any.
 
I can just imagine a stereotypicle guy with a big sombrero, big mustache, 12 O'clock shadow, crossed bandoleers and a huge lit cigar for that one....:bandit:
 
Here are a few WWI Stick grenades. I've looked at Delhomme and LexPev, but as noted on some of the threads here there are many minor variations. Nothing seems to either document or explain these differences in detail (at least nothing I can find a translation for) so I want to be sure I am not mixing up a normal variation with a subtle difference in country of manufacture.

Here are the grenades in question.

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Any information is appreciated.
 
Nothing on the stick grenades? My questions are in regard to the differences, whether they are normal variations or something else. Pictures #2 and #3 both appear to be normal Stielhandgranate M1917, with variations in construction and marking. Picture #1 however, the body is over 1cm longer, larger in diameter and different in construction, though the stick appears to be the same. Picture #4 looks to be a Stielhandgranate Brennzunder, but the stick is completely different. My references on these are fairly limited and don't discuss what is a normal variation vs some model I have not yet referenced.
 
One more that is causing me issues. Lexpev tentatively identifies this as possible N. Korean. He has the same grenade body (subtle differences), but a different fuze. Others have suggested the South Korean A3, which is similar in size, but has some differences as well. While I have been forwarded a good reference on the South Korean grenade, LexPev mentions no reference for the Northern counterpart. The reference for the South Korean model notes that it is similar in design to the North Korean F1, but does not elaborate. Does anyone have anything further? I'm including the A3 document below for those who have interest. In addition see http://lexpev.nl/grenades/middleeastasia/northkorea/fragmentationgrenadea3.html. I'm sending back a request to see what fuze it accepts, but without a reference that is still not ID.
My thanks to other members for the reference and for their conspiracy theories.



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Here are a few WWI Stick grenades. I've looked at Delhomme and LexPev, but as noted on some of the threads here there are many minor variations. Nothing seems to either document or explain these differences in detail (at least nothing I can find a translation for) so I want to be sure I am not mixing up a normal variation with a subtle difference in country of manufacture.

Here are the grenades in question.

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Any information is appreciated.
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I'm certainly not an expert on WW1 German S/G's but I can say that about 30 years ago I purchased a collection of 25 from a defunct museum & they were all quite different when laid out side by side , particularly the cans showed considerable variation in dimensions even within types that were clearly the same basic model . There is a guy on this site who's very knowledgeable on German S/G's , so he might know . Siegfreid .
 
Noting the similarities and the timeline, was the French P3 considered an Aasen design, a descendant of one, or a completely separate development? Other than poor quality group photos I have been unable to find a good comparative photo collection of Aasen designs, or of some of the P2-P3 variations. Without this it is difficult to draw a line between the two. Is there one?
 
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Any chance that you have a model number or reference available?
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As far as I'm aware, AH used a lot of models of offensive stick grenades (wartime and used as "petard").
Sorry no reference.
Herewith examples of WW1 AH stick grenades (not exhaustive)

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Forthose who have been asking -
Morphy's has decided that the grenades will beauctioned during their upcoming Edged Weapon andMilitaria auction, on June12-13, 2019. See their website for full details and further information.
This isgoing to be a curious auction, as they are a somewhat "high-end"organization, and do not generally deal with small value items. They have takenthe decision to "bundle" certain items, in order to bring each lot upto a potential threshold value, based on an estimate of the individual itemsvalues. From a collector's viewpoint this may make things a bit challenging.Recommendations were made on which items should be bundled with which, but theywill make the final decisions. Good luck to all that choose to participate.
 
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Lets try Spanish. I have little documentation on the PO series, and searching on the forum I can find the PO-1 and the PO-3, but not clear identification on the differences between the two. I have a short version, which I believe is the PO-1, a longer version which I was originally thinking was the PO-3, and a second, perhaps earlier (?) also long green variant which has inked markings that appear to be LOS PO-1, but raised plastic letters HGR DT-21. Export? Looking for confirmed identification on all three.

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PO I was a bakelite ofensive grenade, impact activated, no frag. Fuze as british Nº 247
PO II was a similar one but with metallic body and the same fuze
PO III is a PO I with the lead weight changed fora plastic "flag"
PO IV is a PO III with external coil frag (your photo 1)

DT-21 was a POIII with dual fuze, called POM I, never accepted in service but trialed in Germany (sure) and Spain (I think)
 
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The collection also has some very rare Japanese improvised grenades. This are made more interesting by the provenance - the deceased owner often told the story that he had recovered and inerted them in Burma during the war, while serving in the American Field Service as a British ambulance driver at the front lines. He explained to me how he had loaned them to British Bomb Disposal for exploitation and documentation. To my knowledge the only document that they (3) show up in is within the Kirkee collection, which was compiled in India. The first three are ones that he personally indicated to me were brought back by him, though others may have been as well. I have wondered about the No. 70 shown earlier as well, as my understanding was that the only field use it saw was in that region, and this one is in fantastic shape.

These are the ones he specifically identified as having inerted and brought back, I'll follow with more later.

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Can anyone make an educated guess on the identity of the cartridge case used for ignition with the improvised 25mm case? It was tight to the cap and I did not want to risk damage in trying to see a headstamp so left it alone. At first I thought it was a blank, but that may be incorrect and it could have been a field crimp to hold in the powder. There appears to have been a crimp in the neck for a projectile, visible in this photo.
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It seems a 7.7 Arisaka rimmed or semi-rimmed, bur I', not sure.
 
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Here are a couple more curious ones. The OD I'm pretty sure is marked for Brazil, but I have no documents on. The white one I have no information on. The spoon looks US, but there are no marks on anything. The grenade is filled with a void in the center, the fill material is similar in appearance to cement and does not test out as energetic or hazardous (Ahura).

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The OD is a Odeti M1 from Brazil.

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Original Brazilian Odeti M1 Offensive / Defensive Inert Hand Grenade by Rupturita S.A.

Original Item: Only One Available. Totally inert and demilitarized according to BATF guidelines with hollow body and inert fuse. This grenade cannot be converted to an explosive devise and is not available for export. This is a very nice example of the Brazilian Odeti M1 offensive/defensive hand...
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