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Boys rounds
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TonyE
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More Boys..
As there seems to be a bit of interest in the Boys rounds at the moment, I thought I would post some representative headstamps. I did these on my scanner for speed so there is a bit of parallax in the pictures.
They are:
Ball Mark I, h/s K 40 I
Prac mark II, h/s K 40 PII
Prototype AP, h/s K37 7416AW, which is the drawing number.
AP Mark I, h/s K 39 WI
AP Mark II, h/s K4 1942 WII
AP Mark II, h/s DAC WII 42, nickel cap presumed to indicate non-corrosive.
Tracer G.I, h/s K37 PGI. The "P" is struck through. There was no Practice Tracer or Tracer officially approved for service but they were obviously made.
More to come...
Regards
TonyE
As there seems to be a bit of interest in the Boys rounds at the moment, I thought I would post some representative headstamps. I did these on my scanner for speed so there is a bit of parallax in the pictures.
They are:
Ball Mark I, h/s K 40 I
Prac mark II, h/s K 40 PII
Prototype AP, h/s K37 7416AW, which is the drawing number.
AP Mark I, h/s K 39 WI
AP Mark II, h/s K4 1942 WII
AP Mark II, h/s DAC WII 42, nickel cap presumed to indicate non-corrosive.
Tracer G.I, h/s K37 PGI. The "P" is struck through. There was no Practice Tracer or Tracer officially approved for service but they were obviously made.
More to come...
Regards
TonyE
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TonyE
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More Boys
Here are the rest...
Drill Mark I, h/s K 40 I, made from ball Mark I case?
Drill Mark I, h/s R^L DI, odd assymetric arrangement.
Drill Mark I, h/s K42 DI, unplated case
Drill Mark I, h/s U D I, South African
Drill Mark I, h/s K37 PGI, made from tracer case with "P" struck through.
Drill Mark I Canadian Local Pattern, h/s C^ DA DI LP, cast aluminium.
Insp. Mark I, h/s R^L 39 UI
.55/.303 Training round, (unloaded), h/s K37 7416AW
Regards
TonyE
Here are the rest...
Drill Mark I, h/s K 40 I, made from ball Mark I case?
Drill Mark I, h/s R^L DI, odd assymetric arrangement.
Drill Mark I, h/s K42 DI, unplated case
Drill Mark I, h/s U D I, South African
Drill Mark I, h/s K37 PGI, made from tracer case with "P" struck through.
Drill Mark I Canadian Local Pattern, h/s C^ DA DI LP, cast aluminium.
Insp. Mark I, h/s R^L 39 UI
.55/.303 Training round, (unloaded), h/s K37 7416AW
Regards
TonyE
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Many thanks for showing these,Tony,most interesting,I'm guessing that the K37 Prototype AP shown in your first group is the earliest date that can be found on Boys rounds,were they made in any quantity in '38?
I am wondering if the.55/303 Training round has gone AWOL,or if I'm just not looking at it right.
Regards Chris.
I am wondering if the.55/303 Training round has gone AWOL,or if I'm just not looking at it right.
Regards Chris.
TonyE
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.55/.303
The .55/.303 is the bottom right in the second post with the K37 7416AW headstamp without a primer. It was being developed at the same time as the .55 so they used the same headstamp as the prototype AP. My example came from the factory as an unloaded sample, hence no primer.
I do not think there are any earlier "proper".55 headstamps as it did not enter service until 1937, but of course there are .5 Stanchion headstamps from 1935 and 36.
There is a known example of an experimental .55 Boys Practice round dated 1936, but this is almost certainly a .5 Stanchion case that has been necked up.
Regards
TonyE
The .55/.303 is the bottom right in the second post with the K37 7416AW headstamp without a primer. It was being developed at the same time as the .55 so they used the same headstamp as the prototype AP. My example came from the factory as an unloaded sample, hence no primer.
I do not think there are any earlier "proper".55 headstamps as it did not enter service until 1937, but of course there are .5 Stanchion headstamps from 1935 and 36.
There is a known example of an experimental .55 Boys Practice round dated 1936, but this is almost certainly a .5 Stanchion case that has been necked up.
Regards
TonyE
I wasn't looking at it right,Tony,having the same h/s threw me a bit.The postman brought me a couple of Boys Inspectors rounds this morning,both have R^L 39 UI h/stamps,did Royal Laboratories make most of these?
The bullets are totally non magnetic and I'm thinking these must be the solid copper alloy type that you mentioned in another Boys thread.I'm assuming that if they were lead cored,these cores would be within a steel jacket and would therefore have some magnetic attraction?
Regards Chris.
The bullets are totally non magnetic and I'm thinking these must be the solid copper alloy type that you mentioned in another Boys thread.I'm assuming that if they were lead cored,these cores would be within a steel jacket and would therefore have some magnetic attraction?
Regards Chris.
TonyE
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Boys U I
AFAIK, only RL made the Inspectors U.I, I don't think I have ever seen a Kynoch one.
What colour bullet is your U.I? If it is silver coloured it is probably a lead core with a CN Envelope. If it is copper coloured then it is as you say, the solid copper alloy type.
Regards
TonyE
AFAIK, only RL made the Inspectors U.I, I don't think I have ever seen a Kynoch one.
What colour bullet is your U.I? If it is silver coloured it is probably a lead core with a CN Envelope. If it is copper coloured then it is as you say, the solid copper alloy type.
Regards
TonyE
Both bullets are copper coloured,I didn't think to mention that,and their R^L 39 UI h/stamps seem to appear on every example I see.
Sorry for bringing up an old thread but my local RFD has just picked up a Boys AT rifle and a quantity of WII K43 ammo on 5rd clips in cloth bandoleers so I immediately told him to hang onto some of the ammo incase anyone on here wants any, but then I had a thought that being S5 may not be worth the hassle ? also what's a reasonable price for a clip of 5 ?
peashooter
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I would be interested, I will be down Bisley in Feb.
cheers
Richard.
cheers
Richard.
butterfly
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Here are the three cases and clip that are a little lost in my collection......
From this thread I am able to identify the one in the middle and to the right W1 and WII but could someone confirm the identity of the other case on the left, also photographed on its own. The headstamp isnt all that clear but appears to be GI, however looking at Tonys earlier post could this be a crossed out Practice, there appears to be a line in a similar position but no signs of a P beneath??? - maybe someone can give a posititve ID.
regards Kev
From this thread I am able to identify the one in the middle and to the right W1 and WII but could someone confirm the identity of the other case on the left, also photographed on its own. The headstamp isnt all that clear but appears to be GI, however looking at Tonys earlier post could this be a crossed out Practice, there appears to be a line in a similar position but no signs of a P beneath??? - maybe someone can give a posititve ID.
regards Kev
TonyE
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Yes, I would say almost certainly that it is a poorly stamped PG1. if you look at the symmetry of the stamping, it would be wrongly positioned if it was just "G1".
However, more importantly, there is something very odd about that case. Does it have a single flash hole Boxer cap chamber? It looks to me as though the old Berdan cap chamber has been drilled out and a new insert soldered in to allow the case to be re-loaded with commercial large rifle primers. Does it look like that in the flesh, as sometimes pictures can be deceiving?
Regards
TonyE
However, more importantly, there is something very odd about that case. Does it have a single flash hole Boxer cap chamber? It looks to me as though the old Berdan cap chamber has been drilled out and a new insert soldered in to allow the case to be re-loaded with commercial large rifle primers. Does it look like that in the flesh, as sometimes pictures can be deceiving?
Regards
TonyE
butterfly
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Hi, thanks for your reply..
.....yes this one certainly looks exactly as you described, as though some sort of insert has been put in there. It is very different from the other two cases, as you can see in picture one I posted.
What is the significance of this? - I'm afraid that I know very little about this area, so apologies if I am a little ignorant on the subject. I can try to take a better photo if that helps??
regards Kev
TonyE
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Thanks for the extra pictures. I suspect that this was done to make the cases relaodable using ordinary commercial large rifle primers, because the original 0.25" diameter Berdan primers are virtually impossible to obtain. I am fairly certain it was not a British military modification.
This may have been done by someone with a Boys rifles who wanted to shoot it (with cast lead bullets perhaps?) or even possibly for film work, although I doubt the latter.
Whatever the original purpose, it is an interesting and unusual modification.
Regards
TonyE
This may have been done by someone with a Boys rifles who wanted to shoot it (with cast lead bullets perhaps?) or even possibly for film work, although I doubt the latter.
Whatever the original purpose, it is an interesting and unusual modification.
Regards
TonyE
