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Alleged CW munitions in Syria

The persistency is dependent on a number of factors - temp of course is one, type of surface and soil, strength of the agent and a few other factors. When they say ot will be gone in 3 to 8 hours the only thing that would make sense to me would be it is no longer at the lethal dose/concentration 50. Also we keep thinking the sarin in question is the same sarin we have always known. But an thickener or petro chem can be added to increase persistency. Also I worked a former chem site (Dugway) that had a few sarin filed items. This was many years after they had been opened, we put a plastic sheet over the bombets and let then set about a half hour, when we used the M 18 kit it turned positive for sarin. All the military docs I have on nerve agents differ with the web site posted.
 
just to clarify, the chart in the web site posted earlier is correct for LC50 concentrations. Also sarin being heavier then air will find some nice basement or other below surface location and hang around a little longer. Again I have to ask is this the normal sarin we think of, or a new mix - there were many reports then they seem to have stopped about Syria activity that showed them mixing their sarin. While I know it is possible, but I did not know they might have a binary sarin who physical properties could vary widely from the sarin we connect to all this mess
 
After seeing the videos above I do not understand the UN team's perception of what constitutes protective clothing. Even our minimum protective ensemble gave us more skin and respiratory protection than what these guys are wearing. Plus we went through a deconn bath and shower and our clothes were sampled for just liquid mustard agent. These men came out of a 'hot' area and just took off their masks, How can this lightweight rocket with no more stabilization than it has fly a straight path and stay intact and bury in the ground as deep as it does. Are the Syrians just 'setting up' sites for the UN?? Cheers, John
 
You hit it John, if this is sarin most everything you and I always thought, learned and reacted to is so different then what we are seeing. A couple mil web sites I still have access too explain how to determine exposure through blood sampling. Granted sarin is a non persistent agent, what confuses most are some of the charts that say it is gone in 30 minutes are so depending on temperature. Partially true but those charts refer to the LC 50 of the agent. If sarin were used, then there will be trace amounts that can be detected. Why weren't the first responders and medical staff affected? those surgical masks are that good? Not
 
How convenient, an unbroken, glass-toped coffee table. The pipe, an alleged rocket motor tube looks like it is homemade from conduct tubing.:) Sorry, but the entire scene, along with the others, look as phony as a B movie. I wonder what country the UN inspectors are from? I'm not buying any of it. Sadly, John
 
John. The glass is broken as you can see him reach through the table at 1:10. However, later this afternoon I was thinking of making my own inspection video. Put on some gear, duct tape it together with authentic duct tape number tags etc. Any suggestions on how to make it more authentic, or anything you would like to see ? I'm sure I could accommodate your suggestions. :bigsmile:
 
Frankly I am content with watching Looney tunes. thanks anyway. John
 
Charlie said:
Just recieved this through my email, dont know what it's about as all the writing is scribble, but it looks similar?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TKI0XordWOw&feature=c4-overview&list=UUtAJUbedwTelp9Wk-0yTZqQ
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There's been an ongoing disinformation campaign seeking to link these munitions (fired from the rebel forces' so-called "Hell Cannon") with the alleged CW attacks. They're a distinctly different type of munitions to what we've seen, and very unlikely to be associated in any way.
 
the rocket fired from the hell cannon is the same design as the one reported as being the chemical weapon. But the one reported has a longer tail boom and different warhead, I say similar because of basic concept. I was watching another vid of the rebels and say 2 of the weapons in question laying on the ground, will go back to it and see if I can capture a picture. But I also have seen vids of the same rocket in question but full of a puddy like HE and one that was more of a case type filler
 
The warheads are blue colored propane tanks, have seen thousands of them through out the middle east, they can also come in gray and white.
 
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