What case belongs to this projectile?

[brass64]

These are 3pdr proj. but the crimp groove on the long one is about 5mm lower and does not match either the Vickers or the 47x376 case. As you can see the driving bands are the same!

 

[HAZORD]

The projectiles both have the characteristic Elswick going to Nordenfelt rotating band. Those companies merged with Vickers. which in the case of 3 Pdrs, the Vickers case is bigger. I'm thinking the larger projo would go with the Vickers case and the other in a standard 3 Pdr case. Are there no markings on the projectiles?

 

[brass64]

There are no recognisable marks on the projs.. I have the 47 x 414 case and the crimp marks (3) are in the same place as the standard 3pr case The proj. accepts the hotchkiss base fuze. ???

 

[2pounder]

The earlier cases had lower stab or crimp marks than the later ones, not sure what date they changed could be around 1900.