I got lucky at a local antique show a year or so ago and picked up these two rounds along with a similar typical 20x139mm white practice projectile loading. The small one appears to be a 20x139mm case resized and the projectile is 23mm in diameter. There is no headstamp on this case. The larger 40mm cartridge has a belted case. I have only been able to find very sketchy information on these loadings. Anyone have some good data on the rounds and gun system? All three rounds only set me back $20. One of the few times anymore that I have found a good deal at an antique show. Usually anything over 10 years old is "rare and very valuable, one of a kind". Amazing how many of those rare 30-06 WWI era ball loadings show up!