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Two more shells for ID please
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TonyE
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One inch
The second round is a British one inch Aiming Rifle Mark IV(M) Electric primed with the Morris primer. There was also a version of the Mark IV with the Kings Norton elctric primer.
It should have a plain lead bullet, but it appears that at some point it has been loaded with a steel Nordenfelt type projectile, which is wrong for that headstamp. It is possible that this was done during WWI as examples of the aiming rifle with a steel bullet are known as they were found useful for sinking floating mines.
The 1 inch Nordenfelt used the same case as the aiming rifle but would have been headstamped differently. The 1 inch Gatling had a different case altogether and also would have had a lead bullet.
regards
TonyE
The second round is a British one inch Aiming Rifle Mark IV(M) Electric primed with the Morris primer. There was also a version of the Mark IV with the Kings Norton elctric primer.
It should have a plain lead bullet, but it appears that at some point it has been loaded with a steel Nordenfelt type projectile, which is wrong for that headstamp. It is possible that this was done during WWI as examples of the aiming rifle with a steel bullet are known as they were found useful for sinking floating mines.
The 1 inch Nordenfelt used the same case as the aiming rifle but would have been headstamped differently. The 1 inch Gatling had a different case altogether and also would have had a lead bullet.
regards
TonyE
The shells I have put on this site all came from the same source and most of the replies have said they are naval round's.
Here is another shell from the same lot,I did have info on this shell but it was lost. If I remember right I think I was told it was a Japanese naval shell.
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Another interesting selection of rounds,Steve,I'm glad that we're gradually
coming down to my very limited knowledge level.There's not much I can add to what everyone else has said,with your first round the crowned M
says it all really.If,as Tony suggests it may well be,the second one is a special purpose combination for sinking floating mines,it might be a very rare thing to find these days.The third one,I seem to see quite a few of these,I wonder if lots of them didn't actually make it to Japan.They were made here,as has already been said,by the Elswick Ordnance Company,and were for the Japanese Boat Gun,sometimes called the 2 1/2
pdr Hotchkiss.
coming down to my very limited knowledge level.There's not much I can add to what everyone else has said,with your first round the crowned M
says it all really.If,as Tony suggests it may well be,the second one is a special purpose combination for sinking floating mines,it might be a very rare thing to find these days.The third one,I seem to see quite a few of these,I wonder if lots of them didn't actually make it to Japan.They were made here,as has already been said,by the Elswick Ordnance Company,and were for the Japanese Boat Gun,sometimes called the 2 1/2
pdr Hotchkiss.
Chris 42 RQ
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Gun in museum
Just to add a little about the 47mm Hotchkiss gun as there is/was a mint conditioned one in one of the museums in Birmingham just a little way from the "Bullring" shopping centre.
Do not recall seeing any rounds for it though.
Just to add a little about the 47mm Hotchkiss gun as there is/was a mint conditioned one in one of the museums in Birmingham just a little way from the "Bullring" shopping centre.
Do not recall seeing any rounds for it though.