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Six London gang members guilty of supplying re-activated guns

Their photos look like they might be Islamists getting ready for a bit of Terror. If you guys push that theory, it would distance them from military collectors.
 
Looking at such reports one thing strikes me and that is this..

As I understand it, a deactivated 'weapon' is just that, 'deactivated'. Here in the UK the measures taken ought to ensure that the weapon cannot be 're-activated'. sections cut out of barrels, firing bolts cut or welded, or whole mechanisms welded solid etc etc. The deactivated 'weapon' is issued with a certificate and is marked as such. Any tampering with the then deactivated 'lump of metal' (impossible to call it anything else after deactivation surely?) is illegal, against the law and punishable.
I do not know if all the countries in Europe have the same regulations, I suspect not from what I have seen, and if not then other methods may not be as stringent.
I would like to know just what these weapons are that they are 'reactivating' or more to the point, if they were from the UK or 'elsewhere?'

One thing is very clear to me though, is that such people have no respect for laws and I dont think changing it will ever affect people intent on doing such things. Laws only ever affect those who are willing to abide by them - the likes of you and me.

Unfortunately media has a strong influence on viewpoints.
 
Totally agree with Butterfly...and knowing what is involved with de acting a British firearm it would be impossible to re activate one without manufacturing 99% of the parts needed,ie barrel, receiver,bolt ect ect,so why buy a de act?...just for the furniture?.
I am convinced that most of these stories about re acting de acts is pure scaremongering
 
smle2009 said:
Totally agree with Butterfly...and knowing what is involved with de acting a British firearm it would be impossible to re activate one without manufacturing 99% of the parts needed,ie barrel, receiver,bolt ect ect,so why buy a de act?...just for the furniture?.
I am convinced that most of these stories about re acting de acts is pure scaremongering
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This is exactly my point, by definition a deactivated firearm is just that 'deactivated', the law requires the deactivation process to be carried out to the extent that it cannot be re-activated and a certificate issued with Home Office approval to that effect. The only explaination to me is that other countries dont have the same rigorous laws on deactivation as there are in place in the UK. However above and beyond all that, I think anyone with criminal intent would simply not go to these lengths in the first place........why would they?

Of course the story could be used to cover up just what is going on here and just how such criminals have in their possession these so-called 're-activated firearms', but that is just pure specualtion on my part - I am simply one of those people that dont always believe everything I read.

once again the only victims will be the law abiding citizens of the world - you and me! - as anyone else reading this post simply does not care for the law!!

Kev
 
HAZORD said:
Their photos look like they might be Islamists getting ready for a bit of Terror. If you guys push that theory, it would distance them from military collectors.
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In another article on the same story, it said that one of the gang had searched militaria sellers for guns to reactivate. This means it is linked to collecting straight away.

I agree with other posters that British de-activated guns would require a lot of work and spare parts. We most likely aren't getting the full story here.

smle2009: Scaremongering is the problem. If the media started running headlines such as "legal deactivated guns turned into deadly weapons used by terrorists", it could very quickly cause problems.

The Brocock air pistol ban was mostly media driven.
 
I remember with my case the media reported I had dangerous De actified weapons? ???????? But thy only have to mention dangerous and the dull mind only sees that
 
There are proposals in the latest round to call in de acts, and any new will be welded shut. Re -acting does cant mean bringing back to original spec, just boring and cutting so it goes bang with a simple blow back mechanism. Nasty things to have on the streets but technically it is probably easier to start from scratch and just use the de act for cosmetics. Not an Englishman amongst them and we'll foot the bill for their new hotel.
 
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