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Chris 42 RQ
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1" Aiming Rifle ?
Hi Cirus, well having looked over my pictures and not found the one I had in mind, my reckoning is that it is a Naval 1" inch Aiming Rifle" round.
Looks like the case is "Kynoch" produced at "KN" (Standish I think ?) or is it "Kings Norton" more likely-only a guess as I am not very good on oldies !
Lead Bullet will have a copper "gas check" on the rear inside the case.
The others here will give you a definitive answer for sure.
Chris :tinysmile_shy_t:
Hi Cirus, well having looked over my pictures and not found the one I had in mind, my reckoning is that it is a Naval 1" inch Aiming Rifle" round.
Looks like the case is "Kynoch" produced at "KN" (Standish I think ?) or is it "Kings Norton" more likely-only a guess as I am not very good on oldies !
Lead Bullet will have a copper "gas check" on the rear inside the case.
The others here will give you a definitive answer for sure.
Chris :tinysmile_shy_t:
1 in Aiming round ID
looking in my book that covers British Small Arms it shows the head stamp in photo as ' cartridge aiming rifle 1 inch electric mkIV' first approved 1897 and having the King's Norton type primer as opposed to the Morris pattern. it should have a leadbullet with 3 cannelures and no gas check, propellant wuould have been black powder.
Hope this is of help, found the info while trying to ident a similar case marked V.S.M. in a straight line and small perc. cap, probably mg but still working on it.
looking in my book that covers British Small Arms it shows the head stamp in photo as ' cartridge aiming rifle 1 inch electric mkIV' first approved 1897 and having the King's Norton type primer as opposed to the Morris pattern. it should have a leadbullet with 3 cannelures and no gas check, propellant wuould have been black powder.
Hope this is of help, found the info while trying to ident a similar case marked V.S.M. in a straight line and small perc. cap, probably mg but still working on it.
Hi,
Sorry for the late reply, but I have been away. Anyway, many thanks for those replies but my round does not appear to be like the ones you have mentioned. With reference to the pictures in my original post, there is only a hole in the case just below the top rim. Also there is painted on the other side of the projectile a small red dot. I really do hope you can help me out on this one!
Regards
Cirus
Sorry for the late reply, but I have been away. Anyway, many thanks for those replies but my round does not appear to be like the ones you have mentioned. With reference to the pictures in my original post, there is only a hole in the case just below the top rim. Also there is painted on the other side of the projectile a small red dot. I really do hope you can help me out on this one!
Regards
Cirus
TonyE
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1"
Cirus. 2pounder is certainly correct that the case of your round is from a 1 inch Aiming Rifle Mark IV, made by Kings Norton Metal Co. (K.N.M.Co), with the Kings Norton patent electric primer. (Both the KN and the Morris electric primer were used with the Mark IV).
The projectile in your case is not correct though. It should be more pointed and unpainted. Perhaps someone has taken an old fired case and cast an approximation of a bullet? I do not know. It is often impossible to come to an opinion of a round without actually handling it, but my impression is that your round has been put together for some reason - perhaps for instruction?
I doubt if you will ever know why someone chose to drill a hole in the case, but I am quite certain it was not there on the original round.
Regards
TonyE
Cirus. 2pounder is certainly correct that the case of your round is from a 1 inch Aiming Rifle Mark IV, made by Kings Norton Metal Co. (K.N.M.Co), with the Kings Norton patent electric primer. (Both the KN and the Morris electric primer were used with the Mark IV).
The projectile in your case is not correct though. It should be more pointed and unpainted. Perhaps someone has taken an old fired case and cast an approximation of a bullet? I do not know. It is often impossible to come to an opinion of a round without actually handling it, but my impression is that your round has been put together for some reason - perhaps for instruction?
I doubt if you will ever know why someone chose to drill a hole in the case, but I am quite certain it was not there on the original round.
Regards
TonyE
1881 ebay 1 inch
I was told they had lead projectiles, so if original were used for the aiming gun. Could Nordenfelt cases be reused for that, they seem to be the same.
Ebay of course pulled them, but I have an email contact if any one wants to make an offer on them, contact me and I will give it to you.
I was told they had lead projectiles, so if original were used for the aiming gun. Could Nordenfelt cases be reused for that, they seem to be the same.
Ebay of course pulled them, but I have an email contact if any one wants to make an offer on them, contact me and I will give it to you.
Hi,
Thanks again for the feedback. Firstly, the hole in the case does seem odd, my first thought is that it would be there to prevent the round being used for its intended purpose? Secondly, with reference to the attached picture (which shows the red dot) what normally would the red and white rings mean? Incidently, the length of the round is approx 60mm. Possibly more, because it would appear that this projectile was more pointed. And Falcon there are two pictures already at the top of this thread also is there something missing from your last post?
Regards
Cirus
Thanks again for the feedback. Firstly, the hole in the case does seem odd, my first thought is that it would be there to prevent the round being used for its intended purpose? Secondly, with reference to the attached picture (which shows the red dot) what normally would the red and white rings mean? Incidently, the length of the round is approx 60mm. Possibly more, because it would appear that this projectile was more pointed. And Falcon there are two pictures already at the top of this thread also is there something missing from your last post?
Regards
Cirus
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1 inch cases
Re earlier ref to cases I was trying to fully ident I've taken some photos. Note one case shows higher set of indent marks of the earlier? smaller size. All cases are over the std length and are uneven at the top could be stretched on firing? The 'V' has been struck with a damaged stamp which is very poor from a quality point although looking at some other commercial ammo the markings are often below the service standard. I dont think VSM supplied British 1 inch rounds mg or ar although I have a reloaded by VSM case (MKII C perc) ex Navy.
My real questions are why are they like they are? and what sort of projectile should they have? any ideas please.
Re earlier ref to cases I was trying to fully ident I've taken some photos. Note one case shows higher set of indent marks of the earlier? smaller size. All cases are over the std length and are uneven at the top could be stretched on firing? The 'V' has been struck with a damaged stamp which is very poor from a quality point although looking at some other commercial ammo the markings are often below the service standard. I dont think VSM supplied British 1 inch rounds mg or ar although I have a reloaded by VSM case (MKII C perc) ex Navy.
My real questions are why are they like they are? and what sort of projectile should they have? any ideas please.
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Fuzeman
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VSM headstamp is Vickers i believe
Steve
Steve
Falcon
Well-Known Member
I did not mean your round in my post, I meant the round "2pounder" said he was trying to ID. I was also talking about the rounds Gspragge saw on eBay.
I have never seen the projectile on these rounds painted before, maybe someone did that to it later.
Here is a drawing, there is nothing about markings mentioned here.
http://web.ukonline.co.uk/stephen.johnson/arms/aim.jpg