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No. 124 2 pounder pom pom fuze

Quatermass

Quatermass

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Found this the other day. A number 121 fuze converted into a number 124 fuze. The second '1' has been over stamped with a '4' and the II has been struck out and restamped I.
Does anyone know if the No. 124 is much rarer than the 121?
BOCN 124 fuze.jpgBOCN 124 2 PR.jpg
 
Cant really help but just had a look at my fuzes and lo and behold on closer inspection one of them is as yours ie changed to 124 I. the other is a 125 dated 1953 which must make it one of the last made.
 
Quatermass said:
Found this the other day. A number 121 fuze converted into a number 124 fuze. The second '1' has been over stamped with a '4' and the II has been struck out and restamped I.
Does anyone know if the No. 124 is much rarer than the 121?
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Could you post a better picture of your 124 please?

Thanks

Pete
 
The fuze list gives 125 as non issued cancelled 1939 but intro as 1938 obsolete 1948. a mkI is illustrated in the 1945 naval manual and states fitted to 2, 3 6pr CNF. will take photos at the weekend if I can.
 
124/5 Fuzes

Hi chaps,both are much rarer than the 121 in my opinion,all the 124s ive seen are 20s and 30s date,and were reworked 121s. I will see if a friend has any pics. I lost out on a 125 trade with a bocn member who joined then left again,he did send pics but i cant find them either,his fuse was unfired but had been stamped with a large P, so i believe it was assembled to be an inert plug for practice.Nice find Q,well done. This seems to be like No 243 fuzes and 246s. I have 1 No 246 and have never seen another ever. Yet the No 243 is much more common in relation(still hard to find though!)Tig.:wink:
 
Fuzes 124 and 125

Photos for Pete (125 Mark I's a. 1942 never filled b. 1953 in quarter section c. ditto whole)( 124 Mark II half section - WOLC B3227 states " As none of the ... No 124 Mark II fuze have, or will be, issued to the service..."):


Fuze No 125.JPGFuze No 124 Mk II.jpgFuze No 124 Mk II section.jpg
 
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Fuze121-125 WOLC B3227 125 Mk I LS 124 Mk2 LS part 2.jpg
2pounder said:
The fuze list gives 125 as non issued cancelled 1939 but intro as 1938 obsolete 1948. a mkI is illustrated in the 1945 naval manual and states fitted to 2, 3 6pr CNF. will take photos at the weekend if I can.
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I have been looking at the List if Changes paragraphs for 124, 124M and 125 and have come to the conclusion that the entry in the 'Fuze List' concerning 125 cancellation in 1939 is wrong that that the cancellation in the relevant paragraph is for the 124 Mk II for Land Service.

Para 22296 (plus the 'errata') Introduces Fuze 124 Mk I N by conversion of 121 Mk II; Fuze 124 Mk II N either by conversion of 121 Mk III or by new manufacture

Para 22549 Introduces Fuze 124M Mks I and II for Air Service (Admiralty supply)

Para A2237 (1926) ceases conversions of 121 fuzes (but continues to allows new manufacture of 124 Mk II)

Para B2492 (1938) introduces the Fuze 124 Mk II FOR LAND SERVICE

Para B3227 (1939) Cancels B2492 and states none issued to service. B3227 also Introduces Fuze No 125 Mk I FOR LAND SERVICE (This I believe is the paragraph that has been interpretted incorrectly by Hogg [and his work was used as the basis for the fuze list])

You can make you own judgement by looking at the paragraphs:

Fuze121-125 WOLC 22296 124 Mks 1 & 2 N converted from 121.jpgFuze121-125 WOLC 22296 124 Mks 1 & 2 N converted from 121 errata.jpgFuze121-125 WOLC 22549 124M Mk 1.jpgFuze121-125 WOLC A2237 124 Mks 1 & 2 N converted from 121.jpgFuze121-125 WOLC B2492 124 Mk2 LS.jpgFuze121-125 WOLC B3227 125 Mk I LS 124 Mk2 LS part 2.jpgFuze121-125 WOLC B3227 125 Mk I LS 124 Mk2 LS.jpg
 
thanks Bonnex for the info, Hogg despite much excellent work does contain some discrepancies. My 125 is a N mkII and still think it odd that it was ever made.
 
The Land Service 125 Mk 2 and Mk 2/1 were sealed in 1945 and Obsolete in 1949. The Navy pulled out of the List of Changes process in 1946 and used their own system thereafter which, unfortunately, I have not found a source of so I don't what the Navy did with respect to approvals etc., after WW2. The existence of 1953 dated 125 fuzes would suggest the Navy retained an interest (or perhaps rekindled one as a result if the war in Korea).
 
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