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Need clarification on a fuze
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Of course germany. The full name is "8,8 cm Granat Schrapnell Znder". The picture shows the fuze + the high explosive head. The rest of the projectile was a normal shrapnell with HE filling between the lead balls. The projectile was used against aircraft in WW1 in naval 8,8 cm anti aircraft guns. A fuze of the same construction existed for the 10 cm anti aircraft guns, it was a little bit larger. The 8,8 cm Gr.Schr.Z. is rare, the 10 cm Gr.Schr.Z is extremely rare (not sure if it was officially in service)
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A very very rare fuze regards Ben
yes it is - I am looking for a set of the aluminium rings for this fuze but it seems to be an impossible task. I think about reproducing them but I have no idea how to apply the numbers to the ring. Even with a CNC engraving machine it would need a rotating table and much programming...
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Hi Doctor,
it was a double action (T&P) fuze. With time setting it worked as shrapnel and on impact it worked as a shell (exploding the HE-head and the carge between the lead balls. But I think when such a shell did impact in a light WW1 aircraft it wouldn't explode as the impact mechanism is insensitive.
As there are no documents available about this shell I can only guess, that it was not primarily intended as AA shell. It should have been introduced as a normal universal shell like the 7,7 cm F.K.Gr 11 uinversal shell. As no other shrapnells were available for the 8,8 S.K. L/45 C/13 the Gr.-Schrapnell was used against aircraft.
It's also possible that there are models with the impact mechanism removed, but I have not seen until now.
it was a double action (T&P) fuze. With time setting it worked as shrapnel and on impact it worked as a shell (exploding the HE-head and the carge between the lead balls. But I think when such a shell did impact in a light WW1 aircraft it wouldn't explode as the impact mechanism is insensitive.
As there are no documents available about this shell I can only guess, that it was not primarily intended as AA shell. It should have been introduced as a normal universal shell like the 7,7 cm F.K.Gr 11 uinversal shell. As no other shrapnells were available for the 8,8 S.K. L/45 C/13 the Gr.-Schrapnell was used against aircraft.
It's also possible that there are models with the impact mechanism removed, but I have not seen until now.
ooops, I wanted to write "Hi MINENAZ16" 
But nice to see, that you are also interested
I also know this number from B. Delserts books - it is quiet a very small number for artillery ammunition. But the shell should have been used by naval Flak guns only (8,8 cm Marineflak in Marine-Panzer-Lafette C/1913). The army Flak ammunition had two driving bands and slightly shorter cases. Or are there any news about 8,8 cm Brandschrapnells with two driving bands?
But nice to see, that you are also interested I also know this number from B. Delserts books - it is quiet a very small number for artillery ammunition. But the shell should have been used by naval Flak guns only (8,8 cm Marineflak in Marine-Panzer-Lafette C/1913). The army Flak ammunition had two driving bands and slightly shorter cases. Or are there any news about 8,8 cm Brandschrapnells with two driving bands?
doctor
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Hi
Yes i know that it's not a lot of round also for Naval Gun and of course FLAK
I do not know that the shell exists with two driving band like 8 cm FLAK for example and it is true that the number of provided shells is not important for marine artillery and FLAK ( and i'm no sure the 8,8 brandschrapnel shell drawing in the book is good ;=( )
In the FLAK book the fuze 8,8 cm Granat Schrapnell Znder is built with other parts of fuze, B Delsert wanted with very taken to have guessed the unknown fuze for him at the time. (Once again it was mistaken by obstinacy)
A thing is certain for me it is that there well was one 8,8 cm shrapnel shell but not in ww1 but rather in ww2 following a relic found without balls inside
Yes i know that it's not a lot of round also for Naval Gun and of course FLAK
I do not know that the shell exists with two driving band like 8 cm FLAK for example and it is true that the number of provided shells is not important for marine artillery and FLAK ( and i'm no sure the 8,8 brandschrapnel shell drawing in the book is good ;=( )
In the FLAK book the fuze 8,8 cm Granat Schrapnell Znder is built with other parts of fuze, B Delsert wanted with very taken to have guessed the unknown fuze for him at the time. (Once again it was mistaken by obstinacy)
A thing is certain for me it is that there well was one 8,8 cm shrapnel shell but not in ww1 but rather in ww2 following a relic found without balls inside
Yes I know that this drawing is not 100% correct. And there are minimum two types of this fuze. Some have three aluminium rings and there are also some which have only two aluminium rings (the upper two rings combined to one ring). Some years ago this fuze was also a mystery for me but now I know even remains of a 10,5 cm Gr-Schr.Z. which has the same construction but larger diameter.
I know of some 8,8 cm Schrapnell cases from 1st WW (one thin driving band and streamlined shape) but I don't know if they were officiall in service or if they had only experimental state. And I have not seen any suitable fuzes for them. And the next question is if they where for Flak guns or an experimental 8,8 cm field gun. A streamlined HE shell with same appearance also exists.
I know of some 8,8 cm Schrapnell cases from 1st WW (one thin driving band and streamlined shape) but I don't know if they were officiall in service or if they had only experimental state. And I have not seen any suitable fuzes for them. And the next question is if they where for Flak guns or an experimental 8,8 cm field gun. A streamlined HE shell with same appearance also exists.