Mystery AT mine, Help id please

[stecol]

Goodmorning Everyone,

I need to identify this mine.



I think it's a British anti-tank mine, but there is nothing in my documentation, nor between the GS, nor between EP models.

I suppose that even this picture, which probably retracts South Africans soldiers, portrays some of these mines in their boxes.



It could be a South African ordnance that I do not know ?

Could anyone help me, please?

Many Thanks
stecol

 

[Ivashkin]

Stefano,
It looks like Hungarin A/T mine 36M Tak - http://www.lexpev.nl/minesandcharges/sovietbalkan/hungary/36mtak.html
But very strange to see it in Afrika.

 

[stecol]

Not strange Ivan, 36 M. was used by Italian Army in Africa; but this mine isn't a TAK, too large to be the hungarian mine and the "pins" are on the pressure late, not on the body.

 

[APFSDST]

I'm sure isn't Hungarian 36M TAK there on the pictures.

 

[stecol]

Anybody has a solution to this mystery ?

 

[AE501]

Mine A.tk & A.P Type CVP 1 (German)

What about this?

 

[stecol]

I'm sorry, but CVP-1 and 36 M. TAK are the same ordnance.
C.V.P.("Circular Variable Pressure" or something similar) is only an acronym which Allied used to designate this hungarian mine.

Regards
stecol

 

[kiwieod]

I think it might be this german mine or a variation of it.the drawing shown is very similar and they may have used the ZZ42 fuze instead of the DZ35.also a clue is the boxes that are shown in the picture with the 3 soldiers.these are certainly a german style with wooden handles on the ends whereas most british boxes of the time had rope handles.

 

[stecol]

Maybe a solution, but threaded pins and winged nuts are not exatly part of the technology of german behelfsminen.

Regards
stecol

 

[kiwieod]

do you mean the threaded pins and wingnuts on the boxes.the boxes do seem a bit simple for german construction maybe they are French or Italian made boxes with german mines.in the picture with the 3 soldiers the one on the right certainly looks like hes holding a german ZZ35 fuze(I looked with a magnafiying glass.

 

[BMG50]

Look at the packing, the British way of packing mine were in a stack of 5 or 6 on top of each other in a type of cradle not in boxes shown, looks like the mines could be Italian going by the first picture and the second picture showing British troops examining them.

 

[stecol]

Goodmorning Everyone and first of all, Many Thanks for Your answers.

There are winged nuts also on landmines, not only on the boxes:



The round caps are very similar in both pictures:



Z.Z.35 ? I'm not sure to confirm this ID



And which army used coloured bands on the boxes to identify the load ?

Regards
stecol

 

[Joerg]

Pz-Bergwerk Aluminium A1 Kann es nicht sein. Hier Zeichnung Gruss Joerg.

 

[BMG50]

Looking at the boxes, one they don't look German or British, as with the theory of the German aluminum mine this was locally made in area of occupation not made in Reich owned factory.

 

[Richard709]

I know this may be a long shot, but the person in the first photo looks to be an Italian soldier, look at his feet he is wearing shoes not boots, not a practice encouraged by the British army in the desert. Any chance this could be an Italian mine.

 

[stecol]

The soldier is an italian "guastatore" (assault pioneer) for sure and the mines seems just unearthed.

This fact suggests me that the mine is not Italian, but from another country.
Also no Italian document reports the use of a mine of this type.
All this doesn't mean it can not be an Italian mine, but I think that it might be a mine supplied to Commonwealth's Armies

Regards
stecol

 

[kiwieod]

heres another picture of the same mystery mine.ebay item #301736270104,sorry but I couldn't figure out how to make alink to it