Identification help needed

[Bulletman]

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I am thinking that projectile is a 18 pounder MK VII Smoke but i am not sure and I am searching for any information reference link about it

Dimension
height = 242 mm
fuze well width =48mm
round diameter = 82mm

there is a dark green or black band around the body

Thank you

 

[spotter]

Nice original looking round ,can you have a look on the body or base for any stampings

 

[SG500]

Nice projectile.
The 18 pounder is about 84mm in diameter, could it be one of them?
Dave.

 

[Bulletman]

There is no stamping on the round

 

[HAZORD]

The rotating band looks like 18 Pdr. Can we see a closeup photo of the rotating band?

 

[Bulletman]

Wikipedia got the same picture and they say it a 15 pounder but I am pretty sure youre right it a 18 pounder and a smoke one due to the wall thickness Thanks

 

[DICKAREN]

Hi Bulletman,
I think it is an HE shell. Smoke shells were painted green.
Richard

 

[Chris 42 RQ]

18 Pounder shell

Driving band is a typical profile for the 18 pounder as Hazord suggests.

Unusual to get such a nice conditioned shell-what is the thread at the top like?
And you mention the wall thickness-any chance of a picture please?

 

[Bulletman]

Thank you guys It was An 18 pounder HE Shell I find a link with the original complete round:
http://www.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=...dr+HE+round&um=1&hl=en&tbs=isch:1&um=1&itbs=1

 

[ammocat]

18 Pdr

Are the projectile walls about 15mm thick all the way down or do they start out thin and get thicker toward the base? Is there a lip at the top of the projectile or at the bottom to support the pusher plate?

 

[Bulletman]

The projectile wall thickness stay the same except at the bottom it makes a curve. There is a small lip at the top of the projectile

 

[ammocat]

18 Pdr HE

Sounds like a HE projectile, you should be able to confirm the location of the lip on the diagram and cut away of the HE projectile.

 

[Burney Davis]

You have an extremely nice example of an 18 pounder HE shell. The black band denotes an empty H.E. shell to be used for drill purposes. (Source: Handbook for the Ordnance, Q.F. 18-PR Marks I, I*, II and II*. 1940).

I suspect that it is a late first war shell used as a drill prior to WW2 as the second war 18 pr produced projectiles were boat tailed.

BD

 

[ammocat]

WWII 18 Pdr HE

Burney Davis, do you happen to have the Handbook for the Ordnance, Q.F. 18-PR Marks I, I*, II and II*. 1940, and is it possible to get a scan of a WWII era HE projectile photograph or schematic? Did they change the design of the driving band on the later projectiles? This may solve one of my other problems.

 

[Burney Davis]

I do have the handbook, and it mentions three types of DB, all very similar to look at. I'll see if I can get something for you in the next couple of days unless someone beats me to it!

Best

BD

 

[Burney Davis]

Burney Davis, do you happen to have the Handbook for the Ordnance, Q.F. 18-PR Marks I, I*, II and II*. 1940, and is it possible to get a scan of a WWII era HE projectile photograph or schematic? Did they change the design of the driving band on the later projectiles? This may solve one of my other problems.

Here is a picture of the driving bands. I cannot scan the book as it will fall apart if I do! Hope it's useful.

BD

 

[ammocat]

Thanks, for posting the diagram of the driving bands. It does help.

 

[Dronic69]

From the pic looking into down into the inside, it doesn't look like the shrapnel type....I just sold one recently so I can't provide a comparison shot. But you're right, it not hard to differentiate between the HE & Shrapnel (although my one was repainted as a "HE".....it was long long time ago when I was a puppy!)
Cheers
Drew

......now you know why I just collect fuses..LOL


Actually I do have a pic.