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British Mines 1800-1880

Bellifortis

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A while ago I got a very nice digital copy of the "Treatise of ammunition 1887" in which I have been reading lately. Later I discovered that the 1877 and 1915 editions are available in the Download section. Only in the 1887 edition are mentioned "Outrigger Torpedoes" / "Countermines,Naval,500lb.,Buoyant" / " Mines,Naval,72lb.,Electro-Contact,or mechanical" / " Mines,Submarine,Ground and Buoyant,250 lb. and 500 lb. Guncotton" without further description and a short note that these are confidential. Earlier and later editions contain no mention of these naval articles. 1887 is the time of switch over from black powder to guncotton. Is there any publication any of you know of, with a description of these early british developments in mines beween 1800 and 1890. ? There must be an official technical publication similar to the "Treatise on Ammunition", that describe these, at that time new, Naval Mines. And, what are "Outrigger Torpedoes" ? Meanwhile I have quite an exhaustive documentation on US Civil War mines, but absolutely nothing about european developments of the same time, besides a little about russian developments.
Regards,
Bellifortis.
 
Dear Bellifortis,

I am afraid that I cannot help that much, but I know that the Royal Engineers published around 1853 two volumes on Naval Mining. The second volume carried the plates (illustrations) for the first, and covered details of moored mines for harbour defence, both for controlled and those where the mine carried an inertia operated electrical switch, which could be controlled from the switch(Electro-contact Mine) . Mining, as it was primarily defensive at that period, was conducted by the Royal Engineers. Unfortunately, booksellers have often discarded the first volume of text, and split the line drawings for sale as wall decoration! I haven't a copy myself, but I have seen copies. The British Library has a copy of "Rules for Military Mining, according to the practice of the Royal Engineer Establishment at Chatham"which I don't think is the same thing. An Outrigger Mine is what you would normally call a "Spar Mine", with an explosive charge attached to the end of a long pole and manoeuvred into contact with enemy vessel.

Regarding the history of Naval Mining, quite the best book I have ever read on the subject was published around the 1950's, in a limited set,(Secret at the time) covering the whole subject from the beginning until 1950. Foreign, including German and other countries approaches, were discussed, and the three (?) volumes covered sweeping, laying and , I think, net defences. Every detail of all types of mine was discussed, drawings shown, and the problems and the reasoning for decisions were given for each mark of mine. Thus, there would be a chapter detailing methods of depth-keeping, the history of same, and then described every version in the British Navy, as well as other country's systems. Photographs and sectional drawings of everything! Just a taster-"External colouration of moored mines"-The chapter found that visibility from the air wasn't affected that much by colour, except in the Mediterranean, wher the water was so clear. Regarding internal decoration, white was found best, as it helped to make adjustments more readily observable. Nothing I have ever seen on any other ordnance subject ever matched this, and it was almost a complete design manual! There was a set at the Winchester County Library a few years again, but amazingly, with the present cultural vandalism rampant in the UK, this has been closed, and nobody has the faintest idea what has happened to the the Naval Technical manual collection (I think that it came from HMS Vernon, the Naval School of Mining)! It may have been pulped! I have three agencies trying to find out what has happened. The Technical History would probably sell very well if it was scanned!

There is another copy of the Naval Mining History Manual (Set 6) at the Admiralty Library at Portsmouth , whose contents have been moved to at least three different sites since the '60's, were nearly lost, and now are cared for by one librarian. A far cry from when they once occupied a whole floor (26?) in the Empress Building in London, an Admiralty Establishment!

Sorry I haven't been of more assistance,

Regards,

Martin.
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Hallo Martin,
thank you very much for your exhaustive explanations. Do you may be have the exact titles of these 2 sets of Volumes you describe. I would like to try and trace them in the antiquarian book trade. According to your descriptions these would be of interest to an antiquarian buiseness and not given for pulping. Also I noticed recently, that quite a few rare and interesting books of that time, stored at US universities, have been scanned and made available freely. So, there may be a small chance that the 1853 text could be found.
Regards,
Bellifortis.
 
Baker-Brown, W.
1910 History of Submarine Mining in the British Army. W. & J. Mackay & Co., Ltd, Chatham.

The best illustrated manual is "Manual of Submarine Mining" two volumes - produced in 1901 & 1904 - have detailed illustrations of all submarine mining equipment. Unfortunate very rare.

Period texts are also very informative such as Sleeman 1880 I think

Both Baker Brown and Sleeman are available as PDFs on line.

Kume
 
Thanks, Kaskowiski, for the additional information. Bellifortis, I am sorry that I can't be more specific, but I have just noticed that the excellent "Naval & Military Press" are selling, at a specially reduced price, two books that might be germane to your research-A)-Submarine Mines & Torpedoes as Applied to Harbour Defence-1889-Major Bucknill-RE- Ref-5947-Now reduced to 12.80 from 16-00 until Jan 14th, and B)-Service Most Silent-The Navy's Fight Against Enemy Mines-By an ex-member of HMS Vernon-Ref-21056-Currently 4.99 from 19-99 until Jan 14th.

Good luck,
Martin.
 
Hallo Kume,
I just spent some time "googling" for those 3 titles. The "Baker-Brown" and "Sleeman C.W. 1889 ed." I found as reprints/ book on demand, but not as a PDF download. Do you have an internet adress where these can be found ? The "Manual of Submarine Mining 1901 & 1904" I did not find at all.
Regards,
Bellifortis.
Baker-Brown, W.
1910 History of Submarine Mining in the British Army. W. & J. Mackay & Co., Ltd, Chatham.

The best illustrated manual is "Manual of Submarine Mining" two volumes - produced in 1901 & 1904 - have detailed illustrations of all submarine mining equipment. Unfortunate very rare.

Period texts are also very informative such as Sleeman 1880 I think

Both Baker Brown and Sleeman are available as PDFs on line.

Kume
 
Hi Bellifortus
I can send you a pdfs directly if you email me.
Sleeman is probably the better book but Bucknill is still worth a look.
I have never seen copies of the Submarine mining manuals beyond my own photocopies.
Kume
 
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