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Booby-Trapped explosive salted ammo in Syria
- Thread starter HAZORD
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There was a paper put out about these last year, I'll look up mu copy and post later. This vid is the only picture I have ever seen of spiked propellant, to date there has not been any pictures of the Eldest Son bullets, nor has there ever been any tech data released on the 82mm mortars round that were booby-trapped. I have spent years searching for this data and all I ever get is story's that are never backed up with facts. There has also been a rumor that the US has modified some ordnance that has been left behind, these modifications are suppose to be sensors and tracking devices. I have not been able to confirm this either.
I heard a story about a mortar baseplate that some American troops found outside a firebase in Vietnam. The cong would slip in every night with the tube, and drop a few rounds on the fire base and then leave the baseplate behind, to return the following night. The troops left the baseplate where they found it, with the addition of a large antitank mine underneath. I believe that particular problem went away.
In USSR made fuze ML-UZRGM, which looks like normal UZRGM for grenades F-1, RGD-5 or RG-42, but it`s body-trap.It doesn`t have time delay and exploce just immideatly after take away safety pin. If you take safety pin from ML-UZRGM you can`t recognize it!
I heard Army wanted use it in Afghanistan, but didn`t, because very often UZRGM with grenades captured Soviet solders and use it again.
And of cource, explosive in bullets or boil bullets and grenades were normal practice :tinysmile_tongue_t:
I heard Army wanted use it in Afghanistan, but didn`t, because very often UZRGM with grenades captured Soviet solders and use it again.
And of cource, explosive in bullets or boil bullets and grenades were normal practice :tinysmile_tongue_t:
Falcon
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Would the mortar round exit the tube quick enough and be airborne before the explosion of the AT mine?
If so, the problem might have been solved but would it have resulted in one more mortar round landing on the fire base?
think in theory the set back of the mortar tube at the mouont of firing would be enough pressure on the mine fuze to function it. the overall timing would more then likely set the mortar off too.
I am still looking at how the US could have BTs the Chinese 82mm mortar - was the action in the mortar or was it the fuze. Again there are plenty of storeys. all pretty much matching one another, but there is nothing in any of the Command history's that provides any technical data. I have everything there is about the Navy SEAL 3801 - 308 Special Devices (which I have posted on previous threads) and that program over all was as classified if not more so then the Eldest Son program. It would seem to me that soe technical data about that program would be floating around some where. I have sent a FOIA request to Picitinney Arsenal and Ft Bragg. But have not heard back from them yet. doubt I'll get anything out of the Arsenal, but Bragg has always been pretty good to me.
I am still looking at how the US could have BTs the Chinese 82mm mortar - was the action in the mortar or was it the fuze. Again there are plenty of storeys. all pretty much matching one another, but there is nothing in any of the Command history's that provides any technical data. I have everything there is about the Navy SEAL 3801 - 308 Special Devices (which I have posted on previous threads) and that program over all was as classified if not more so then the Eldest Son program. It would seem to me that soe technical data about that program would be floating around some where. I have sent a FOIA request to Picitinney Arsenal and Ft Bragg. But have not heard back from them yet. doubt I'll get anything out of the Arsenal, but Bragg has always been pretty good to me.
Ordnance modification has been around since WWII at least and the US has been actively engaged. Small arms ammo modified with HE or very hot incendiary charges in the cases. The only mortar mod I know of was the removal of the ignition cartridge, drilling out the base of the projectile and inserting a heat/flash sensitive booster. Round dropped in tube, primer hit, ignition cartridge functions, round functions immediately in the tube. No way to tell externally it had been modified. No doubt your queries to Picatinny and Ft. Bragg will be unresponsive because they weren't involved in manufacture. Can't elaborate any more...sorry.
actually I located the EOD guy who assigned to the CIA station in Saigon, he was responsible for for controlling al the Project Eldest Son items and the 308 Special devices. His description of the 82mm mortar was much the same as EODguy described, b ut he said there was a set back firing pin in the ones he Xrayed. Seems a case of modified mortars got into a pallet of good ones, so he had to xray each round individually. He is looking gtoruhg his old VN stuff to see if he can find any old documents on it.
True for the Vietnam period mortar rounds, but the ones for today, at least the ones I know of, took the less complicated route of a pure HE explosive train w/o any additional mechanical parts.
Makes sense, I would think the VN era would be alittle more dangerous to hump around. Right Bragg has no idea and Pic Arsenal is being more secretive then normal. I've always been surprised that Eldest Son info has never hit the open source of the web
pointblank0
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I have heard of the Vietnam era trick of dropping a small ball of P4 into an AK round and putting in back in the mag a couple of rounds from the top. Never seen the mortar trick. Obviously wouldn't be a threat to our forces but certainly something to worry about in a rebel army.
