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Armed police raid house because of toy mortar.

Falcon

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I found this story recently.

This photo was posted on facebook. Someone reported it. Even though it can be clearly seen that the mortar is the size of the TV remote, the house was raided by armed police.

This ties in with my other thread about being careful - I don't even have facebook for this reason.

http://www.thisisgloucestershire.co...tory-18134786-detail/story.html#axzz2Ku1Qx3A9

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As per your other thread Falcon - paranoia, misinformation, scaremongering & basic ignorance/stupidity all getting together!
 
Having a working brain is not required when working for the police.
 
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Here an example from the Netherlands where "authorities" willingly placed 10cm long plasic kalashnikovs, M16's and M'60's between "weapons" confiscated to make the ignorant and unknowing public believe one can buy automatic military weapons at every street corner, either the scoped airgun has the size of the Bismarcks main guns.
All yellow marked and numbered items are the forbidden items in the Netherlands.
 

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The police also didn't notice the illegal and dangerous sub machine gun that the toy is holding.

Pzgr40: Are flintlock and percussion pistols prohibited in the Netherlands? Here in the UK they are not controlled by firearms law if they were made before 1939. Pre-1939 examples can be owned, bought and sold without any regulations. However they need to be licensed if you intend to fire them.
 
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I think it would help greatly if the police had a bit of training/lecture surounding weapons in all there guises so they can have a more educated guess rarther than a piece of paper or a talk by an ex army now police officer who know very little about anything exept what they possably used in service .seen this on a number of occasions.they should have someone with a good understanding of all aspects of weapons and ordnance doing talks to all officers in the force . .would save money . . Unneeded drama and a hell of a lot safer than someone who is clueless with a knowledge obtained from video games and movies.as mentioned before . . Ignorance should be delt with as a priority .
 
Having a working brain is not required when working for the police.

The police are an easy target here, they can be blamed by either side no matter what they do. Poor reporting by the press also makes it seem to be much more than it is, or was. Since 9/11 and subsequent attacks and domestic issues aroud the globe no police force is allowed to ignore "tips", no matter how ridiculous. They have to follow up and make an investigation. That is and should be understood. How they behave during that investigation is where I believe there may be room for comment. As long as it is conducted in a professional and (as applicable) courteous manner, I understand and approve. It is the price for the world we now live in and the games we want to play as collectors.

The media has a tendency to take things out of context and turn them into events that did not occur however, and these reports should be taken with a grain of salt. In the first two sentences of the article link provided it states the "Police stormed a home" followed by "turned up on his doorstep". Which sells papers? In pzgr40's photo below you have a photo, which may or may not have been taken by police. The article certainly was not written by police.

I work with a significant number of these officers on a daily basis. They have my friendship and my respect. They are tasked with adding these issues to their ever growing list of responsiblities to police, trained or not. Many of them have the same interests and hobbies that we do, many of them sympathize with our issues. They are not perfect, and not all are nice people, but by and large they work for professional organizations and most of them are proud to work in a professional manner.

I find it facinating that many of us who have the greatest investment in the future of collecting take this attitude with law enforcement. On our own threads we repeatedly see photos from people who have dug things up in forests, purchased items from those diving for relics, had injuries or arrests from illegal items or activities related to their collections - and we blame and accuse those who put themselves between the public and potential harms way?

I continue to advocate open and honest cooperation with your local authorities. Take the time and effort to learn your local regulations, then meet with your locals and work with them. Demonstrate your understanding of the rules and your williness to function within the rules and you can use these same rules as a blanket of protection against misunderstanding from pissed off neighbors and ex-girlfriends.

Not just picking on pzgr40 here, there are plenty of people in plenty of threads. I understand fear of misunderstanding by those outside our community. What I fail to understand is failure to do something constructive about it.
 
I totally agree with US Subs. A good friend of mine (now retired) was the SRT leader and armorer for our local PD. He added to our collection with some 37mm rounds that they had as samples like some baton and and barricade rounds. During a tour of their armory and range for my son and I one Saturday morning he even gave us a small box containing some M18s that had been turned in by people. "Here, we don't need these."
Years later when the ATF paid a visit because I'd bought an inert grenade from someone in Germany. He had sold one to someone with a live fuze that injured someone. The ATF showed up to do a "Safety Check." No problem. C'mon in. When they saw our collection they called in some Techs to do x-rays. No problems found. Nothing taken. One Tech was from the State Police. So I had ATF and MSP at the house. The locals never came.
One interesting note: in their email notification to the BATF, Interpol stated "This man is not considered a warlord or arms dealer. He is a collector." Hmmm...
 
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I think one underlying issue here is lack of information & education.
Most people have a good idea what a gun/grenade/bomb or bullet look like - what they do not know is what is safe, legal or real.
Obviously the easy bit of information to pass on is play it safe by assuming it is real & it is dangerous.
The next bit is the hardest & that is educating people how to react/report issues.
Then the next is getting the authorities to have a cohesive, practical & balanced procedure for following up reports/findings. This MUST involve an officer who has had a good broad spectrum of training & experience of working with firearms & ordnance as well as having met with the people that own/collect these items.
All this is made harder by the fact there are/can be so many different scenarios ranging from pure misunderstanding through sheer stupidity up to outright acts of crime!!
It is easier for Joe Public to always think the worse, this seems to be based on ignorance, a general bias against firearms in general & the view that anyone interested in firearms/ordnance is either a criminal or not quite right! I feel that the authorities if not encouraging such views certainly seem unwilling to educate people as to such issues.
 
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