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9mm Glisenti?

smle2009

smle2009

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I have what looks like a 9mm Glisenti round but can not find a manufacturer from the headstamp,it looks like the first letter may be missing as it does not seem to align up with the date( ? B P 16).
The only manufacturers code I can find is S B P which is Czechoslovakian (Sellier&Bellot,Prague)
Any ideas?


Cheers Tony

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Yes, it is a 9mm Glisenti as you thought.

However, you need to orient the cartridge so the "B.P." is at twelve o'clock. Italian military ammunition had the government inspector's initials at this position and the arsenal and date at six o'clock.

In this case the inspector was "B.P." (surname first as was the tradition at that time), but his name is not known. He is known on ammunition made at both Capua and Bologna so your headstamp at six o'clock should be either "C-16" or "B-16".

The Italians regarded the names of the inspectors as secret and even recently would not reveal them.

Regards
TonyE
 
For all who are interested and as far I Know:

A.C. Unknown Bologna 1890's
A.S. Unknown Capua

B.P. Binardo Piloni on both Capua and Bologna 1920's
C.A. Cavalli, Alfredo noted on both Capua and Bologna production

C.C. Unknown Bologna

E.S. Unknown Capua C. 1912
F.O. Unknown Torino 1890's
F.P. Unknown Bologna 1923-1928
G.D. Unknown Capua 1890's
L.N. Leggiadore, Nicola Capua 1916-1934
L.P. Unknown Torino

L.V. Unknown Capua

P.O. Unknown Torino

P.V. Pascarello, Vincenzo Capua 1943
R.M. Rubino, Mario Bologna 1942
S.A. Unknown Bologna 1885-1899
S.G. Unknown Capua

S.L. Unknown Bologna 1890 (may be Scotti Luigi)
T.M. Unknown Bologna 1938
T.R. Unknown Capua

V.S. Unknown Capua 1892
Z.G. Zangari, Gaetano Capua 1936-1938

Rgds

Dutch
 
Hi .i have a glisenti round with the same dimentions as a 9mm short with RM B -43 . Whats the standard case length? Thanks .Darrol
 
Hi Darrol,
The standard Glisenti round has the same case lenght as the 9mm parabellum,18mm.
Cheers
Tony
 
Hi tony.the case of the round ive got is a good 2mill shorter than a 9mm parabellum . . Now . .What have i got? Cheers Darrol.
 
Sorry about the 18mm,twas a typo!
Darrol I should think you have a 9mm short as mentioned by jonnyc above,many of the Berreta pistols were available chambered for the 9mm short as well as the 7.65mm(.32" ACP) round.
What profile has the bullet in your 9mm Darrol,I'm fairly sure the 9mm short has a more 'rounded' bullet?

Cheers
Tony
 
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Darrol - As t'other Tony says, you have an Italian military 9mm Corto (9x18, Short, Kurz, .380ACP etc.) made at Bologna in 1943 and inspected by Mario Rubino. There is no connection with Glisenti at all.

These were used in the Beretta M1934 and other pistols issued by the Italian forces. It is not uncommon to find these in full packets of seven rounds with a buff/orange coloured label. I have one such myself.

Regards
TonyE
 
Looks like im going to have words with the chap who sold it me .im surprised that he made that mistake .thanks guys.regards Darrol.
 
Hi,

B.P. worked at Pirotecnico Bologna between 1899 and 1918, then this cartridge was produced at Bologna (B.P. at 12 and B-16 at 6).

Regards
stecol
 
Stecol is correct. 9mm Glisenti with the B.P inspector code are only known from Bologna!

Cheers,

Lew
 
smle2009 said:
I have what looks like a 9mm Glisenti round but can not find a manufacturer from the headstamp,it looks like the first letter may be missing as it does not seem to align up with the date( ? B P 16).
The only manufacturers code I can find is S B P which is Czechoslovakian (Sellier&Bellot,Prague)
Any ideas?


Cheers Tony

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The Hs is not compleet. It is B.P. B -16 .
I add a picture from the box and a 9mm Glisenti from 1913


P.B. 9mmGlisenti.jpgB.P. 9mmGlisent HS.jpg

Norbert

I always looking for 7.9 x33 Kurz for my collection and my book about the development and production of the Pistolenpatrone 43 m.E.
 
It is not unusual for WWI Glisenti Headstamps to be missing one of the normal entries. I have on that is just "B-17" and another that is "B.P B-". These show up now and then and I have never seen one that looks like a worn or broken bunter (i.e. with a roughness or a faint impression where the missing entry should be). Some have discussed this over the years and wondered if these were intentional headstamps that Bologna used for some reason. The cartridges with these incomplete headstamps appear normal in all respects but I have never disassembled one. There are examples where partial headstamps were used to identify test ammunition.

Cheers,
Lew

PS: The "RM" code was used on Bologna ammunition into 1945
 
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