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.577" Snider

smle2009

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Hi To all,
Looking for some info on these .577" Snider rounds, what does the red band/no band mean,and what other colour bands are there and the meaning of them?
Also is there anyway to tell who manufactured them as neither have any headstamp markings.

Cheers
Tony
 

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Snider

Unfortunately, once out of the packet there is no way to tell who made a Snider round, although the great majority were made at RL Woolwich.

There were nine marks of Snider ball for British service plus a Mark X for India, and of course blank and two Marks of buckshot. There was also a "Special AAA Shot" load for British prison service.

Identity of the early marks is difficult. The Pattern I is easy as it has a Potet base not a Boxer base with the iron disc. Patterns II, III and IV all look the same with a sycamore wood nose plug and covered in white paper, the differences only being in the bullet weight and type of cannelures. The Pattern V has brown paper covering not white, which is what you have.

The Mark VI (titles changed from Pattern to Mark) had a single black band , the Mark VII also had a single black band but no wooden nose plug, the Mark VIII had two black bands, the Mark IX a single red band and the Mark X two thin red bands.

Your second round is a Mark IX.
Here are pictures of mine. I am mising Patterns II and III, but since they are so difficult to identify it is hard to find them!

Picture 1 is Pattern I, IV, V, VI and VII, picture 2 is Mark IX, VIII, X, Buckshot Mark I and II. The last picture is of Australian, New zealand and Canadian rounds which are equally problematic.

Regards
TonyE
 

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Many thanks TonyE,
Sorry to be a pain,but I'm a bit confused about the second round.
It does not have a wood nose plug and has a single red band,so would that make it a MkIX as you say the MkVI and VII both had single black bands?

Very nice selection of rounds you have.

All the best
Tony
 
Sniders

Oops sorry! A senior moment there! Your other round is of course a Mark IX and I have edited my previous post to reflect this. I must try to learn to recognise colours!

A couple more pictures. I have another Pattern I with the Potet base (which looks similar to a shotgun base), but this one has a raised "4" as a headstamp. I have no idea what that means as it came without a packet label.

The other round is an early Whitney round made in New Zealand. Whitney was the predecessor of the Colonial Ammunition Company (CAC),

Regards
TonyE
 

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Thanks TonyE,
I made the same mistake with this round before I bought it,my PC monitor has decided to give up with the red colour side of things,so from the photo I was sent of it it looked black and I never gave it a second thought until it arrived!:bigsmile:

All the best
Tony
 
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