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4.7" QF Bag

bacarnal

bacarnal

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Found this at a gun show. I'm thinking it is a powder bag for a British 4.7" Quick Fire gun, but am not familiar with the round, and a search doesn't turn up much. The one pix I saw for the rounds stated that the casing was supposed to be filled with 12 lbs of "Peeble" powder so I'm assuming incremental bag charges for the Army Gun using the steel casing and bag charges. But we all know what "assume" means. Any info would be appreciated. Cheers, Y'all, Bruce.
 

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of the top of my head and not looking in the manual 4.7in was land service and naval and used a seperate loading brass case that had a lid held in by bent tags in the neck of the case. ( yes I've ignored the WWII fixed round. Having a fixed lid meant it was not incremental. However the cases came in different lengths for different guns so had different charges. The steel on your bag refers to the shell and was used to differentiate early common projectiles and what they were made of. Very interesting find, will look in the book and see what else I can find out.
 
another think, this could well be the bag for the buster charge to go in a steel common shell not the propelling charge.
 
Bruce,

That should be Pebble Powder, a slow burning propellant. However, your bag is marked ‘P & FG’ (I assume it’s a G not a C as it fits my answer!). Which would be ‘P mixture’ a mix of Pebble powder and Fine Grain powder which was an explosive used in Common & Common-pointed shells.

Tim
 
2pounder, when I spoke of the steel casing, it was from the only thing I could find on line about the 4.7, which was Wikipedia. They claimed that the Naval round used the brass casing but that the Army gun used a steel casing and bag charges. TimG, the "G" on the P&FG is different than the "C" on Common, which would make sense since some of the US Navy common rounds used a mixture of fine grain black powder and TNT. Found some of those at Pic on a recent job. Which now leads me to the conclusion that this is not a powder bag as I thought, but a cloth cover for the round itself, since its diameter is just about right. Thanks, all. Cheers, Bruce.

ps Pic is Picatinny. Typing on this phone and having all sorts of fun.
 
one Mk of Land service gun did use a short case with cordite charges, still not looked in the right books yet.
 
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