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20mm Vulcan High Presure Test Projectile?

Darren

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I have this 20mm projectile and and believe it to be a Vulcan high presure test projectile? I will be looking for a case for this, am i correct in thinking that a standard 20mm brass vulcan case would be correct for this projectile or would these have had different cases?

Projectile is 20mm x 80mm, no stampings.

Any ideas on what colour this would have been painted.

I dont really know much about this projectile as this is the only 'High Presure Test' projectile that i have in my collection, any other general info about this item would be a great help.

Thanks,
Darren
 

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Darren

The examples I have are flat black and dull grey in color.

4th from the left in the back row and 1st on the left front row.

Rick
 

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Darren

The examples I have are flat black and dull grey in color.

4th from the left in the back row and 1st on the left front row.

Rick

Thanks for the photo Rick of your examples, mine looks quite different? I mean the thinner section in the middle doesn't seem to go in as much as yours? Yours seem to be a lot thinner in the middle section. Perhaps mine isn't a Vulcan projectile after all?

Darren
 
Thanks for the photo Rick of your examples, mine looks quite different? I mean the thinner section in the middle doesn't seem to go in as much as yours? Yours seem to be a lot thinner in the middle section. Perhaps mine isn't a Vulcan projectile after all?

Darren

Darren I have one with an identical profile to yours in a Vulcan case. Its painted black.
Dave.
 
In the U.S., projectiles like Rick has shown are also found painted a purple (magenta) color.
 
In the U.S., projectiles like Rick has shown are also found painted a purple (magenta) color.

Yes, I have one of those purple painted ones, they have more of a cut out. You don't happen to have or have a photo of one like Darrens do you that is crimped in with original paint?
Dave.
 
Dave,

I have never seen a projo like Darren's till his posting. I'm used to seeing the U.S. ones in Purple like the photo I have attached. The one that Darren posted reminds me of the Russian 30mm projos that have a reduced mid-section.
 

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Close ups of the two mentioned prevously.

Rick
 

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I've got them both ways, but cannot find the pictures of the violet ones at the moment. Here are a couple in black that I salvaged from a display board.
 

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Thanks for the pictures guys, all of the ones shown seem to have more of a cut out than mine? the centre section seems to be alot thinner on the examples shown. Is mine just another variation?

Darren
 
Hi Darren,
I`ve got one in my collection. It`s a projectile for the Hispano 404 cannon, so you have to look out for a 20x110 casing instead of a 20x102 Vulcan case.
I also have the 20x102 Vulcan HPT. Mine is also purple/ violet (original paint), the correct colour for HPT projectiles. I don`t no for sure if they also came in black.

Best regards, Cornman
 

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Hi Darren,
I`ve got one in my collection. It`s a projectile for the Hispano 404 cannon, so you have to look out for a 20x110 casing instead of a 20x102 Vulcan case.
I also have the 20x102 Vulcan HPT. Mine is also purple/ violet (original paint), the correct colour for HPT projectiles. I don`t no for sure if they also came in black.

Best regards, Cornman

Thanks Cornman for confirming that, i did wonder if it was something other than a Vulcan projectile.

Any guess to what sort of date my projectile is? im assuming i will need to find a prety modern Hispano case?

Thanks,
Darren
 
Darren,
you indeed need a modern case 80`s or 90`s. But for the eye even a WW2 dated case will do
the job. Those cases are identical.

Regards, Cornman
 
Darren,
you indeed need a modern case 80`s or 90`s. But for the eye even a WW2 dated case will do
the job. Those cases are identical.

Regards, Cornman

Thanks Cornman for the info, i have a 70s dated case here that will do for now until i can find a more modern one at some point.

Thanks,
Darren
 
I agree the projectile originally asked about is for the HS case and not the US 20x102mm case. Since the discussion went into the US high pressure test loadings though, I thought I would add to it. As has been shown the M50 series of HPT rounds have gone through many variations, some of which I have shown. I am missing the M54A1 variation with the stannic coated case (silverish appearance) and the wasp-waist projectile (M54E2).
The round on the left is the M99 Ball projectile loaded in the Hispano-Suiza case. I show that because the first variety of 20x102mm HPT loadings used the M99 projectile with 0.26 inch of the tip cut off to make the cartridge the right length. It also used a re-sized cal. .60 case which was then stannic coated. The headstamp on this case is FA* 49 *. It, like the other 20x102mm cases here, is electric primed with either the M52A3 or M52A5 primer. This cartridge is the basic M54 HPT design, originally designated the T156. This round would generate 65,000 to 70,000 psi of chamber pressure well above the maximum 60,500 psi of the other sevice rounds.
The next round (3rd from the left) is the M54E1. Also with a stannic coated case, but it used the M55A2 Practice projectile from the 20x102mm family of projectiles. The projectile is shown next to the round.
The first of the wasp-waist projectiles was painted black and loaded in the M54E2 HPT cartridge. My particular example has a plain brass case, but manuals of the day refer to this round with a stannic coated case. The projectile is turned from a solid steel bar and therefore had to have a portion of the exterior removed to meet weight requirements. The round used the M52A3B1 electric primer.
The final round is the M54A1 which was the last of the series. It is almost identical to the M54E2 except the forward flat portion of the projectile, just behind the ogive, is longer. This projectile was painted violet because of the change in the color coding scheme for medium caliber ammunition that had been made. This cartridge peaked out at 72,500 psi. The projectile weighs 1965 grains.
I can't seem to find my MIL-STD 709's, etc. to determine when the color shift from black to violet was made. Maybe someone else can fill in that blank spot.
 

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What a great posting, I've had that one in the wrong case for years, must switch it to the right case, thanks for the clarification Cornman. This thread has certainly thrown up some nice rounds, thanks for showing them all guys.
Dave.
 
Nice to see those HPT rounds eodguy! Good to see it confirmed that the 20x102 M54 HPT also came in black!

Cheers, Cornman
 
Early version perhaps ?

Heres one I had in my collection from circa 1970 and never did manage to get any information on it-20 mm Hispano was all that could be determined !

Most certainly an experimental item-an early version of the HPT perhaps !
I expect someone here on the forum now owns it!
 

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Thanks for all of the help and info guys, great thread.

Darren
 

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